Signal and Telegram seem to be the most commonly mentioned alternatives here. Which one do you prefer and why?
Signal is just another walled garden, making it a no-go for me.
Out of interest, what do you use instead?
WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app
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#52Does this also apply to European customers, given GDPR?
This was the very question I have. Presumably given this ultimatum they would pull out of the EU market? That’s great that solves the problem of getting my friends and family onto something else!
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#53The sooner they take such actions the better it is for everyone in the long run. Someone somewhere will come up with an alternative that is better than anything we have today. And sorry but Signal is not the pinnacle of messaging. I like what Matrix is doing but they are far away from becoming mainstream. Within 2-3 years a new platform will rise and it will fix flaws of existing messaging apps. This will then be fol…
>Within 2-3 years a new platform will rise and it will fix flaws of existing messaging apps.
And then 2-3 years after that an entirely incompatible platform will do the same thing...
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#54I'd like to move my family off of WhatsApp due to these concerns. I've used Signal before, but I am not a big fan of it. I often have to re-register my devices to sign in, syncing takes a long time, and conversations do not persist across devices. I am perfectly happy using a paid service. Does anyone here think Discord or Slack would be a suitable replacement?
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#56Sounds like my Oculus paperweight...
If you've got $200 and a chip in your shoulder, Oculus' arbitration clause in their user agreement ensures that if you pay $200, Oculus will pay thousands to handle the arbitration, and case law so far says they can't "combine" arbitration cases just because its convenient for them to do so.
I no longer have an oculus HMD, but Oculus no longer has any profit from me.
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#57I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
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#58This is good, people should be forced to make these choices explicitly. And it's Apple that is forcing the matter.
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#59WhatsApp has such a strong network effect, that a wholesale move off is very difficult. I asked my immediate family to move to Signal and they agreed. Then came the question - can we talk to people on whatsapp using signal because friends, aunts, uncles, cousins who live international all live on whatsapp. Moving your network, their network and their networks network becomes quite the task.
Naively it seems like the problem that will make progress at both ends with the right spark. As I image it, soon enough someone else will have already convinced part of your network to make the move.
People, in general, don't have a qualm about installing another app when it's recommended by someone they trust.
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#60I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?
Sadly, no 6 people was my max and those were my family members. And my mom still complains Whatsapp was easier..