USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment • Hacker News Board

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by shp0ngle » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

sabertoothed wrote: post #31

stefan_ wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. I might be overly cynical but that seems to be little more than a ploy of appearing impartial by denying on something you are certain it is going to be reversed on appeal.

> That seems like the line of argument you could employ to deny every extradition to the US then. Appears to be a very valid reason. The US prison system is a disgrace.

They even cited Jeffrey Epstein suicide in the judgement (paragraph 299, page 95)

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by harry8 » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #30

gadders wrote: post #6

Quite surprised by that verdict. Reading the commentary from Craig Murray [1] I thought it likely he would be extradited. Maybe Trump will pardon him and Snowdon on his way out as well. [1] EG: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/10/your-man-in-...

Some of us did try to say that Murray is a fucking idiot and should not be listened to.

What a terrible comment. It adds nothing whatsoever to the discussion. Make your case. Link evidence.

Or appear to be nothing more than the poorest and purest smear.

Maybe that appearance is deceptive and it was just really, really lazy?

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by Triv888 » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:47 AM UTC

"This tweet is not available to you" error is still happening to this day. (a reload was required)

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by KirillPanov » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:48 AM UTC

shp0ngle wrote: post #10

So, she basically dismissed all other arguments of Assange team except the mental health argument/risk of suicide, and blocked extradition based on that. That's really interesting.

He'll be released to some kind of house arrest (or whatever the UK equivalent is), and be found dead the next day.

It will be ruled a suicide.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by raxxorrax » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

Closi wrote: post #46

vidarh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an awful ruling overall, from what I can tell from skimming it. It's great Assange won, but this ruling is not at all support for freedom of expression. This is the one part the judge agreed with the defense on as far as I can tell: > 363. I find that the mental condition of Mr. Assange is such that it would be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of America. For anyone not suffering from severe ment…

You might be able to argue that Assange crossed the line between "journalism" and "hacking", for example when he attempted to assist with cracking a hash. The UK has other history about journalists hacking (see the phone hacking scandal). It's one thing to receive the contents of a hack, and quite another to offer active assistance to exploit systems.

How scandalous, he hacked someone... Of course that is far worse than killing hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east which he put the finger on.

Hacking and computer sabotage.... really? You call that justice? It is not and the UK jurisdiction remains a joke. A posh joke, but a joke nonetheless.

Please... as if there would have been alternative to leaking hunan rights violations.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by tt433 » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

howlgarnish wrote: post #48

Quite unexpected! Like many HNers who followed Craig Murray's reporting of the trial (see below), I thought Judge Baraitser was a compliant puppet and the extradition to the US was preordained. Will be interesting to see his take on this. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=fal...

Given the apartment disconnect between the reality Murray describes in his reports and the reality we can observe today, do you think you'll read his content with a higher degree of skepticism in the future? His headlines are all calibrated for maximum outrage, that alone turns me off from reading them. Edit to eat crow: only one article has a sensational headline

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by mmkos » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

The UK is in a precarious situation, with COVID and Brexit in full effect. I think that for the sake of the UK-US relationship and future trade talks, the government wants to appear aligned with the US as much as possible on this issue, while not actually extraditing Julian Assange.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by ostenning » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:50 AM UTC

jonny383 wrote: post #14

Time for Australia to step up and own this one. Take your citizen home.

What I learnt over the past year is that Australia doesn’t really care about it’s citizens abroad.

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by checkyoursudo » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:52 AM UTC

nix23 wrote: post #33

vidarh wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an awful ruling overall, from what I can tell from skimming it. It's great Assange won, but this ruling is not at all support for freedom of expression. This is the one part the judge agreed with the defense on as far as I can tell: > 363. I find that the mental condition of Mr. Assange is such that it would be oppressive to extradite him to the United States of America. For anyone not suffering from severe ment…

I really don't get it why the UK is even allowed to extradite a citizen of Australia to the US. Shame on Australia too for not protecting it's citizens.

While I would prefer that Assange not be extradited to the USA on the specific circumstances of that case, extradition treaties in general seem reasonable?

If a citizen of A commits murder in B and there is credible evidence, but the person has fled to C, should C not be able to extradite the person to B under any circumstances?

Barring civil rights problems, corruption, etc (e.g., some very specific exceptions), it seems in general that we should want to allow extradition so that justice can be met. No?

Re: USA vs. Julian Assange Judgment

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Post by matthewmacleod » Mon, Jan 04, 2021, 11:52 AM UTC

mmkos wrote: post #57

The UK is in a precarious situation, with COVID and Brexit in full effect. I think that for the sake of the UK-US relationship and future trade talks, the government wants to appear aligned with the US as much as possible on this issue, while not actually extraditing Julian Assange.

This is nonsense conspiracy theorism. There is unlikely to be any possibility of the judicial decision in this case being influenced by the UK government's policies on UK-US trade deals.