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Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#51
This is really interesting. I suppose tiny url gets a kicked back from their ad network for this. I'm the creator of the URL shortener (T.LY) and a Link Unshortener tool. I spend most of my development time fighting bad actors. My goal is to have a legitimate competitor to bitly that people benefit from. We do not set any cookies on redirects but do use cookies for authentication for users.

T.LY: https://t.ly/

Link Unshortener: https://linkunshorten.com/

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FYI that your site is blocked by this list: https://gitlab.com/The_Quantum_Alpha/the-quantum-ad-list HN post for that list here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25512273

Hm, well I've got to work out how to get off that list! Thanks for giving me the heads up. EDIT: I'm not sure quite how to deal with being put on ad lists. Sure, people can upload any file to our host so it's plausible that someone, at some point, has uploaded an advert. Someone could also redirect to an advert domain and we'd have no way to really deal with that unless it was reported. Ideas are welcome for solution…

Just some thoughts:

1. Reach out to the list maintainer to see why your site was added.

2. Create a blocklist comprised of those ad lists. Don’t redirect to sites on the blocklist.

3. (Of dubious practical value) Create a Terms of Service that says users may not use your to link to advertisements.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#53
post #28

Wasn't the primary use of URL shorteners to compress a given URL in order to reduce the character count? Given today's Twitter, what are they still used for besides visual convenience? Do youtu.be, t.co, fb.me and dlvr.it next!

My company uses them in its print assets like billboards, posters, and transit ads. I see them all the time in commercial text messages, like from things I've subscribed to, or delivery alerts so I can track the pizza guy.

Do they use QR codes in addition to the shortened URLs? I’ve always wondered why QR code’s haven’t caught on more. Especially for things where the objective to access information more convenient than fat-fingering.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#54
post #49

Don't want to be mean, but just to inform you, guidelines says "Please don't delete and repost. Deletion is for things that shouldn't have been submitted in the first place." and I know you have posted and then deleted the same post yesterday. It is fine to repost if you didn't get notice no worries

Sorry about that, noted.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#56
post #28

Wasn't the primary use of URL shorteners to compress a given URL in order to reduce the character count? Given today's Twitter, what are they still used for besides visual convenience? Do youtu.be, t.co, fb.me and dlvr.it next!

I mainly use them when I need to send a link that needs to be manually typed at some point (e.g. asking person to go some website during phone call).

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#57
I use to run into a sci usenet poster who usually provided 10-30 shortened links with his postings pointing at books, papers and previous postings (google groups). Arguing over a topic he one time explained he had a clear analytics picture of what references other posters did and didn't read, who [silently] participated in the discussions, how much people read before and after writing a response, etc.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, well I've got to work out how to get off that list! Thanks for giving me the heads up. EDIT: I'm not sure quite how to deal with being put on ad lists. Sure, people can upload any file to our host so it's plausible that someone, at some point, has uploaded an advert. Someone could also redirect to an advert domain and we'd have no way to really deal with that unless it was reported. Ideas are welcome for solution…

Just some thoughts: 1. Reach out to the list maintainer to see why your site was added. 2. Create a blocklist comprised of those ad lists. Don’t redirect to sites on the blocklist. 3. (Of dubious practical value) Create a Terms of Service that says users may not use your to link to advertisements.

+1 to the second suggestion as a low-effort way to make some headway in staying off blocklists.

A place to start might be this large, very popular list that combines a bunch of other lists: https://oisd.nl/

Actual text file is here (large file warning): https://hosts.oisd.nl/

Just prevent your service from shortening links to any of those domains.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#59
post #50

Not particularly surprising. I was building a url shortner some 12-13 years ago but eventually abandoned it. But this was exactly how I planned to monetize it.

This headline might be the biggest "duh!" I've ever read on the site. In this day, and in this surveillance market economy, you must assume that you WILL be tracked wherever you CAN be tracked.

Re: URL shorteners set ad tracking cookies

#60
post #31

I am not surprised. URL shorteners will try to monetize eventually. One way is to support ad networks, other is to show ads and videos before navigating to the target URL. I am 100% sure TOS allow it since the beginning. As far it seems to be a grim future, it is almost only way they can monetize. Otherwise they will close their businesses rendering millions of URLs broken, what I think is the future that is too easy…

Could also cross-subsidize by being a sub-affiliate network as part of an affiliate network. Company earns percentage of affiliate commissions produced by in-network links, which subsidize the non-commissionable out-of-network links (and non-earning in-network links).
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