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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Americans and the American media complain about how bad Facebook and tech censorship is, and it is bad, but overseas in countries such as turkey it is way worse. Americans truly take for granted the freedoms they have.

I don’t think it’s taken for granted. Those complaints stem from fear of turning into a place like Turkey and other nations with strict censorship.

If we don’t complain now, it may be too late later on.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Balkans are a war torn region, I honestly don't share some of my compatriots, idiotic opinions about naming other countries. Although they haven't lived though let's say Sarajevo in the 90s, I hope we all realize, that war isn't the solution to disputes. To answer your question, I try to surround my self with educated people, not dogmatic morons.

I understand your sentiment, but, the flip side is that a strong military is a good safeguard for peace. I have this... Hard to formulate opinion that you should be prepared to prevail in violence but at the same time avoid it as much as possible.

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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I’m living in Turkey and it’s really ironic that I can’t even access this article. That is the extent of these censorships.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Hardly. He's got a tight grip on the media, imprisoned or silenced most of the opposition, purged the military and the police after the failed coup and has the support of the conservative Turks, which basically granted him a mandate for many years to come. He'll probably end up being president for the rest of his life, just like Franco. Now his ambitions lie beyond the Turkush border into Southern Caucasus and Europe. Europeans should at the very least push back, support their Greek and Cypriot fellow EU members, grant asylum to kemalists, kurds and his other opponents, refuse further blackmail with refugees pouring in.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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> They don't want to Any idea why?

They don’t feel like throwing money around? They don’t feel like increasing the levels of insecurity? Just two examples.

If France has war going on, we expect the neighbors Spain/Switzerland/Germany/Italy to help with the refugee situation. There should be no reason to send the French people to Indonesia even if Indonesia is the richest nation in the world. Local dynamics should be accounted for.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. Do you think they haven't influenced each other?

> They lived in close proximity for a good part of a millennium. And? That doesn't imply common heritage. > Do you think they haven't influenced each other? That doesn't imply common heritage. Also if you talking about the ottoman empire. isn't the greek position that the ottoman empire was bad for them and hence why they sought independence? Or are you saying that greece should rejoin the ottoman empire and embrace…

They share food, words, customs and attitudes. That's the common heritage.

Joining Ottoman empire is just a non sequitur.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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post #37
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I’m living in Turkey and it’s really ironic that I can’t even access this article. That is the extent of these censorships.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade.

He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN's.

When you indoctrinate uneducated people with religion and politics, you can control them anyway you want. Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Turkey has been ruled by erdogan for the last 18 years, imagine how brainwashed their voter base is and how powerful erdogan has become.

Even if erdogan loses in the elections, which court/state authority can punish him in the event that he refuses to leave the presidency? None.

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

Constantinople/Byzantium was in practice a Greek state. In their conquest of it, the Ottomans assimilated both many peoples as well as much of the culture and practice of the area, with Sultan Mehmed II going as far as calling himself 'Ceasar.'

Re: Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t feel like throwing money around? They don’t feel like increasing the levels of insecurity? Just two examples.

If France has war going on, we expect the neighbors Spain/Switzerland/Germany/Italy to help with the refugee situation. There should be no reason to send the French people to Indonesia even if Indonesia is the richest nation in the world. Local dynamics should be accounted for.

Only that those countries (UAE, etc) don’t give a flying fuck about liberal values (in this case, good for them I guess)
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