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Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by jkmcf »

mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

As a 100% Mac user since 2006, I've been trying to use Linux on the laptop (Ubuntu) for the past month or so. I find it ok. If I wasn't so used to the keyboard mappings/shortcuts it might be easier. Maybe ElementaryOS would have been a better OS if I'd had the choice.

Reiterating the parent, I just want things to work and work well together. I've been using computers since about 1980 and Linux since 0.9. At some point in my 30s I just decided custom tweaking and compiling from scratch was more self indulgence and a distraction -- I'm still working on my other distractions and bad habits, but Gentoo isn't one of them!

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by abdullahkhalids »

allie1 wrote: post #5
carlob wrote: post #3

I had a very positive experience with a t480s (also switching from mac), though I use linux... The hardware feels much better for my needs than a mac: way better keyboard, matte screen and all the ports you'd expect including ethernet...oh and did I mention it's also way lighter?

What distro did you run? I have been contemplating the same with PureOS

I run Debian on a T470. Everything works perfectly.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by underwater »

If you're assessing the Windows and Lenovo combo against the benchmark of "Apple-like" experience, then of course you're going to be disappointed, because you can never be as Apple-like as the real thing.

What the author has forgotten is that Apple have built one vision of personal computing, but that's not necessarily a perfect vision or best experience for all people.

People moving in the opposite direction might have similar complaints about lack of hardware options, form factors, backwards compatibility, ecosystem lock in, OS inflexibility, etc. and forget that that's not what Apple is optimising for.

That said, I really wish Microsoft would tackle some of the obvious things. Settings vs. Control Panel is embarassing. I don't hold out hope, given Windows doesn't seem to be a priority for them.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by sitzkrieg »

gamblor956 wrote: post #37
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think.

Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people used to use an example of it just working

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252174979

with that said, linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by andrewzah »

mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

I was an apple fanboy, but using the 13" dell xps converted me. It's much lighter, the trackpad is fantastic (although not -quite- as perfect as the macbook), and you're not trapped in apple's ecosystem. Installing debian was relatively easy.

I can't recommend the XPS series enough- the 13" with 32gb ram is perfect for any developer.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

#57

Post by andrewzah »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #55
gamblor956 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think. Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people us…

"linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases"

In my experience linux has been better than osx by a long shot. For general uses and gaming. I only boot into windows for some games and programs like autodesk fusion.

My parents had very little issues adapting to mint with the cinnamon DE.

I fail to see how modern linux is a "joke".

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by qeternity »

gamblor956 wrote: post #37
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

Generally speaking though, if I just want my stuff to work, and work together, I don't have many options. You must be one of those people who hasn't used Big Sur yet...Windows has issues, but it's inexcusable for Apple to have so many problems when they control literally all aspects of the hardware and software stack. That being said, your options for superior laptop hardware include the business models of Lenovo and…

Big Sur 11.0 (and betas) were an absolute mess. However 11.1 is genuinely a great bit of kit.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by gtaylor »

andrewzah wrote: post #56
mrweasel wrote: post #4

While Apple has certainly made their share of mistakes in designing laptops (like designing a laptop that will crash because it doesn't starts it's fans when the graphics card get hot, or the butterfly keyboard) general quality is how they trap you. People normal say that Apple lock you into their ecosystem, but that's not the main reason I generally choose Apple product. My reasoning is: That the hell else do you su…

I was an apple fanboy, but using the 13" dell xps converted me. It's much lighter, the trackpad is fantastic (although not -quite- as perfect as the macbook), and you're not trapped in apple's ecosystem. Installing debian was relatively easy. I can't recommend the XPS series enough- the 13" with 32gb ram is perfect for any developer.

Really liking my XPS 17, though I'd echo your comment re: trackpad.

Re: Switching from Apple to Lenovo

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Post by MrDresden »

andrewzah wrote: post #57
sitzkrieg wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i bought a mbp a few years ago and do not use it full time and nevertheless ive had constant, ridiculous problems the entire time. not juat fresh post release stuff.and everytime i search i find many others who do too. there is a lot of blinders in the community i think. Anyway osx is basically a piece of garbage anymore that breaks obnoxious inexcusable stuff regularly. recent favorite because this is what people us…

"linux is a joke on daily desktop stuff too with exception for very narrow use cases" In my experience linux has been better than osx by a long shot. For general uses and gaming. I only boot into windows for some games and programs like autodesk fusion. My parents had very little issues adapting to mint with the cinnamon DE. I fail to see how modern linux is a "joke".

I did away with the windows gaming partition earlier this year and went 100% Linux on the desktop (still have a mbp as a laptop). Their Proton innitiative is fantastic.
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