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How neutering dogs became the norm

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Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by sn_master »

leetcrew wrote: post #37
sn_master wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

pretty much any large dog can seriously fuck you up if they have a mind to. I've seen a chesapeake bay retriever crush a deer's head with his jaws. in the vast majority of cases, a properly socialized dog will not attack a human unprovoked.

I only mentioned pit bulls because OP said that shelter had 130 unadopted pit bulls.

Whether or not they're statistically more aggressive than other dogs of the same size and socialization, that's a debate that'll get me a ton of downvotes here regardless of how I answer, so I'll pass on that one.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by michaelmrose »

sn_master wrote: post #31
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #26

The author is claiming that dogs are rare in shelters now and that institutions are actively buying them from the same puppy mills that are being detracted. I can’t see that to be true- look at villa lobos rescue with over 130 pit bulls, and they have a nationwide show trying to adopt out their dogs. Hell my local aspca has 445 dogs looking for a new home within 25 miles of my zip code.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

Please don't post a url corresponding to a search of YouTube videos as if it were a source backing up your argument.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by michaelmrose »

sn_master wrote: post #51
leetcrew wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pretty much any large dog can seriously fuck you up if they have a mind to. I've seen a chesapeake bay retriever crush a deer's head with his jaws. in the vast majority of cases, a properly socialized dog will not attack a human unprovoked.

I only mentioned pit bulls because OP said that shelter had 130 unadopted pit bulls. Whether or not they're statistically more aggressive than other dogs of the same size and socialization, that's a debate that'll get me a ton of downvotes here regardless of how I answer, so I'll pass on that one.

You would get less down votes if you make substantial arguments as people will be more apt to engage in discussion instead of down voting and moving on.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by michaelmrose »

bpodgursky wrote: post #41
sn_master wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

The weaker version of this argument which is less likely to be downvoted is, "A huge fraction of the pit bulls which are currently in shelters are not compatible with most homes who want to adopt dogs" Pit bulls, whether or not they are inherently aggressive (and let's be honest, you get more aggressive pit bulls than Golden Retrievers), can do a HUGE amount of damage when they are. Adopting a dog which can't be trus…

Do you have any data to back up inherent breed based aggression by pit bulls?

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by sn_master »

bpodgursky wrote: post #41
sn_master wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

The weaker version of this argument which is less likely to be downvoted is, "A huge fraction of the pit bulls which are currently in shelters are not compatible with most homes who want to adopt dogs" Pit bulls, whether or not they are inherently aggressive (and let's be honest, you get more aggressive pit bulls than Golden Retrievers), can do a HUGE amount of damage when they are. Adopting a dog which can't be trus…

And pitbulls are stronger than the average human adult.

Many of those videos show strong adults, sometimes multiple of them, and they can't overtake a single angry pitbull even when using blunt objects to hit it. Multiple children get mauled and killed by pitbulls every single month in the US alone. From the reported data, pitbulls are statistically more dangerous than any other breed.

An angry small dog can only do so much harm before getting a single kick, vs a pitbull. That's why the UK banned them.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by ambivalents »

parliament32 wrote: post #22

>When I told one guy that I was thinking of keeping Moose intact, he picked up his Shih Tzu as though Moose was going to mount his precious Tiffany at any second. “As if,” I thought to myself. “Moose is gay.” Wait, what? I'm 95% sure dogs can't be homosexual but someone correct me if I'm wrong..

I definitely read that as a joke. Like...'my dog wasn't even attracted to the Shih Tzu anyway!'.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by realsimplesynd »

projektfu wrote: post #38

As a US veterinarian, I hold a nuanced view of spay/neuter. Nevertheless, I generally recommend it as default for most pet owners, as it goes along with their expectations of what their pet's life will be like. People who elected to leave their dogs intact are often shocked by something down the line. 1. Pyometra. Dogs do not have menopause, but they may stop cycling. When they do they can develop a uterine infection…

> 6. All bitches bleed during proestrus.

The word “bitch” has changed so much in cultural meaning during the last 50 years or so that somehow it feels more offensive to call a female dog a “bitch” then a human.

How is “bitch” used in veterinary hospitals?

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by sn_master »

michaelmrose wrote: post #53
sn_master wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only mentioned pit bulls because OP said that shelter had 130 unadopted pit bulls. Whether or not they're statistically more aggressive than other dogs of the same size and socialization, that's a debate that'll get me a ton of downvotes here regardless of how I answer, so I'll pass on that one.

You would get less down votes if you make substantial arguments as people will be more apt to engage in discussion instead of down voting and moving on.

I shared a YouTube link with hundreds of videos of pitbull attacks caught on camera. Watching one or two of those videos should constitute a substantial argument if someone has an open mind.

From experience, I can spend a solid hour writing arguments and I'll get downvoted anyway by all the SJWs here who refuse to accept anything differing from they believe in.

Even if one person decides to watch any of those videos and changes their mind about getting a pitbull I'll be happy for saving a life and I don't give a damn about downvotes.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by ambivalents »

projektfu wrote: post #38

As a US veterinarian, I hold a nuanced view of spay/neuter. Nevertheless, I generally recommend it as default for most pet owners, as it goes along with their expectations of what their pet's life will be like. People who elected to leave their dogs intact are often shocked by something down the line. 1. Pyometra. Dogs do not have menopause, but they may stop cycling. When they do they can develop a uterine infection…

Thank you for sharing this. Regarding behavior, do intact male dogs also attract aggressive behavior towards them? My (intact male) dog isn't aggressive, but a few times now other dogs have attacked him (not resulting in serious injury, but was super scary). I was told by a trainer that he could be emitting hormones that cause this behavior in other dogs.

Re: How neutering dogs became the norm

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Post by sn_master »

michaelmrose wrote: post #52
sn_master wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pit bulls are dangerous dogs, unlike most other breeds. source: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pitbull+attack Edit: https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2019... 69% of fatalities due to dog bites were caused by the same breed.

Please don't post a url corresponding to a search of YouTube videos as if it were a source backing up your argument.

The hundreds of videos of the said dogs attacking people, the detailed news reports and expert interviews are not a source to back an argument?
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