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Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by htk »

nominated1 wrote: post #39
echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

Does anyone know how many watts a single core can consume on the M1?

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by FpUser »

This is all splitting hairs. Major manufacturers are in active competition and bar temporary hick-ups they will all be leap frogging each other while offering more or less the same deal over time in regards to performance / power. In the end it'll be just personal preference whether go with Apple, AMD or Intel.

Well I suspect due to loyalty factor Apple as usually may be able to extract more money from the customers.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by scoopertrooper »

glasshead969 wrote: post #48
nominated1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

M1 with all its CPUs pegged to 100% only hits 20W, so M1 still uses way less power than single core in Zen. Edit: In fact I just ran Cinebench R23 single thread test and package power barely crossed 5W.

Yup, the MacMini M1 maxes out at 10.5W on single threaded workloads

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

#54

Post by scoopertrooper »

htk wrote: post #51
nominated1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

Does anyone know how many watts a single core can consume on the M1?

The Firestorm core uses 10.5W under heavy load and memory consumption.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by FpUser »

new_realist wrote: post #15
mping wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentioned faster, not cheaper. A performance-per-dollar and per watt is certainly valuable, but for a forum that always mentions that a couple hundred bucks are worth spending for shaving off time from a developer workflow (SSDs, RAM, etc, assuming they earn market rates) this benchmark is worth it. As a desktop user, I certainly am interested in these numbers.

Why would you buy a Mac mini for performance critical work? I could see being bound to a laptop for some workflows, but is that Ryzen available in laptops?

Not that CPU in particular but you can buy laptop with desktop grade Ryzen 3950 CPU here: https://eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,463,0)NightskyARX15. I guess given time they'll update the CPU to whatever latest doodad.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by FpUser »

new_realist wrote: post #38
AdrianB1 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original test linked at the beginning of the article is telling that multicore is not that relevant for the tested performance. The article is mentioning the power envelope and the fact that 5nm is temporary exclusive to Apple, but not for long - AMD will utilize it and that would be a closed test. In the end, if you want to compare performance before you buy, you care less about the internal and more about perfo…

I look forward to an M1 processor comparison to something with a similar core count, similar total power envelopes, and similar cost. The Ryzen processor benchmarked here costs more than the entire Mac Mini M1 system.

They're 2 different CPU with the different market. The only reason I think that this comparison is being made is that it is a response to an avalanche of articles claiming that M1 beats everything speed wise and is the best thing since sliced bread.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

#57

Post by echlebek »

nominated1 wrote: post #39
echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

Yeah, that's irrelevant. One M1 core is not going to use its entire package power either, because there are other powered cores in there like the GPU.

Look at the chart again. One Ryzen core active, 37 watts total package power. It doesn't matter what the per core wattage is, because you can't get that one core without the package.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by p1necone »

gzer0 wrote: post #50
nominated1 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And directly above that graph says: > please keep in mind that for single-threaded tasks, a single core doesn’t consume all 95W TDP headroom of the CPU. Based on Anandtech’s analysis, a single 5800X core only consumes 17.3W at 4850 MHz Remember these are single-threaded benchmarks.

Interestingly, the conclusion states the following: > While M1 is indeed very powerful for its size, when comparing it to the high-end x86 desktop, it is still slower. Okay, great. I'm not sure what to expect when you compare the lowest end first generation processor from Apple to one of the more high-end of the spectrum x86. Edit: Forgot to mention how the power draw on the M1 is still significantly less; m1 with al…

The reason people are making these comparisons between CPUs that are basically in entirely separate market segments is because of apples marketing suggesting that the M1 beats everything, rather than just other low power CPUs, and people taking said marketing at face value.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by echlebek »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #23
echlebek wrote: post #17

This isn't an apples to apples comparison like the author says, because the package power (37W) of the Ryzen is still quite a bit higher than the M1's. You can see it right there in the graph from Anandtech. The 5800X is a beast of a CPU. The IPC improvements over the previous generation really are incredible. It's not surprising to me at all that it beats the M1 in several benchmarks. However, it's not the same clas…

In the real world, there aren't many people making purchasing decision between an M1 Apple laptop or Mac Mini and an AMD 5800X desktop machine anyway. Still interesting to see the comparisons. The leaked Geekbench results of AMD's upcoming 5800H laptop parts are about 85% of the M1's single core score and matching the M1's multi-core score. TDP is still higher than the M1, obviously, but AMD is also using a 7nm proce…

Absolutely, the M1 is extremely impressive and the best performer in its class by a long shot.

Re: Ryzen 5800X vs. M1: Programming benchmarks

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Post by p1necone »

rafaelturk wrote: post #26

I'm still impressed how fast Intel was overtaken by AMD and now Apple. Benchmarks don't even bother including Intel.

It wasn't really very fast. Intel got away with releasing basically the same CPU year over year with minor incremental improvements for almost a decade before anyone caught up.
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