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Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Jesus, if true this has gotta be a mortal wound to Zoom

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

This isn’t some “rogue employee” incident; This is like the 5th time Zoom has been caught doing the CCPs bidding... on American soil.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

It's newsworthy that PRC is recruiting Chinese citizens in executive positions of American companies to pursue the intelligence interests of the CCP by disenfranchising Americans of their constitutional rights and in willful violation of American law.

Yeah. Some of these people need to be made an example of. China's been using their consumer market allure as an aegis behind which to advance their interests and project censorship abroad.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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Is this likely to go anywhere? The press release says an arrest warrant was issued, but the person charged isn't in custody. I doubt china is going to send him over, nor is he going to be on a plane headed to the US anytime soon, so nothing's going to happen to him unless he decides to enter the US?

He's probably not going to court or jail personally, but there having an executive with an arrest warrant for espionage-ish charges is meaningful.

Beyond zoom, this is another incident/escalation in an emerging field. Chinese norms for doing business are coming into conflict. Especially for things like comms, media and such... doing business the chinese way is becoming a standoff position vis a vis western norms.

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The real issue is how such a fundamentally important thing - video communications - isn't rock solid and a commodity by now such that any of FAANG, Verizon/AT&T and a host of others don't provide it as easy as anything else. Imagine if you thought CCP were reading your emails? Would your company/school/government use that service? I don't think so. Having supply chain problems for ASICS is one thing. But 'video confe…

First of all, video conferencing is one of the most challenging software products to deliver, at the latencies that people expect and the price they're typically willing to pay. It's not a CRUD app. Second, F, A, A, G, and M do provide rock solid video conferencing. Apple being the most rock solid of all of them, but limited to Apple devices.

If there were great alternatives by the big players, then Zoom would not 'be a thing' and would not have taken off during the pandemic.

Why would teachers etc. be turning to Zoom if Hangouts etc. was at their fingertips and worked well.

We moved to Zoom before the pandemic because Skype (Microsoft) was unreliable to the point of useless whereas Zoom was solid.

People use Zoom because it's better, and there's really no excuse for Hangouts, Skype etc. to be of inferior quality. Those companies have the best Engineers and all the money in the world. It's a lack of product focus.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#57

Jesus, if true this has gotta be a mortal wound to Zoom

I highly doubt the behavior of a single rogue employee will present any significant difficulty to Zoom, to say nothing of being a mortal wound.

Bullshit, the headline is the CCP can and do make calls about the content of your legal Zoom calls.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

#58
So much for “Zoom is committed to supporting the open exchange of ideas and conversations” - it was clear this was nonsense when they said it, but the stuff alleged here is way worse than even I would have predicted.

These people are awful - Zoom should be avoided (along probably with any company operating primarily out of China, under influence of the CCP).

https://zalberico.com/essay/2020/06/13/zoom-in-china.html

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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The most BA conspiracy would be if the CCP thought about releasing a virus and said to themselves “hey, what will everyone need in a pandemic? Videoconference!” They funded Zoom, then released the virus and boom - they suddenly have access to every company and academic discussion out there. If I plotting things, that’s how I’d do it at least. But alas reality isn’t a Bond film.

Why would you fund a “tech” company when you could corner the market on PPE? According to my local news a company told the federal government the US lack N95 manufacturing.

PPE is just PPE. Zoom is tech which will continue to be more established even when we don't strictly require it. It gives the possibility of silently monitoring corporate/government calls for years. And some stock market gains as a cherry on top.

Re: Zoom executive charged with disrupting meetings commemorating Tiananmen Square

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> Jin’s co-conspirators created fake email accounts and Company-1 accounts in the names of others, including PRC political dissidents, to fabricate evidence that the hosts of and participants in the meetings to commemorate the Tiananmen Square massacre were supporting terrorist organizations, inciting violence or distributing child pornography. The fabricated evidence falsely asserted that the meetings included discu…

I think it's been mentioned on hn before, but it sure seems like we should look twice at anyone who gets charged with child pornography - could be someone getting framed.
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