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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by tcldr »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #31
dfdz wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got the same impression. Do you think it would be too late to change the name to "Rock Linux" or "Rock Solid Linux"? Since branding is so important this really seems like something that should go through focus groups or crowd sources somehow? Maybe a poll on hacker news? Unfortunately, I really think changing the name would be critical to the success of the project. Imagine you are a technical lead and you have to…

Given we are talking of branding, did you both completely miss the logo? To me it's clear the name is in reference to mountains, as in the Rocky Mountains.

No, I didn’t – and neither will many others!

That’s the point.

It’s a great tribute to one of the late Cent OS founders, but it comes with unfortunate marketing hurdles.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by shawnz »

mmrezaie wrote: post #3

I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist. The two later have not changed their policies in the last decade, and they have a clear path for upgrading. CentOS was always a clear choice for device drivers support, but I never understood the stability claims.

You may need to develop or test software for RHEL and CentOS/Rocky are bug-for-bug compatible.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by naniwaduni »

joana035 wrote: post #17
tmoravec wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Debian offers around three years of support. Ubuntu LTS around five. Both pale in comparison with Red Hat and, by proxy, CentOS.

Right, but the price one pays are outdated packages. CentOS 8 was released few days ago with kernel 4.18, which not even LTS is, and is older than the current Debian stable kernel(!). If you need to install anything besides the base distro you need elrepo, epel, etc which I'm not sure can be counted as part of the support.

That's not a price, that's a feature.

If your use case doesn't consider avoiding noncritical behaviour changes for a decade to be a feature, you have other options.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by nasalgoat »

shawnz wrote: post #46
nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

I actually think CentOS sounds pretty unprofessional (although familiar), while Rocky Linux sounds unfamiliar although at least has a meaningful inspiration. I would bet it could come to be equally as esteemed as a product called "CentOS" (or even "Red Hat") eventually.

CentOS is Community Enterprise OS. Enterprise is right in the name.

I just imagine going to the big boss and saying, "We're moving to Rocky Linux" is going to be a tougher sell based on the somewhat juvenile nature of someone's first name with a Y on the end of it.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by _x5tx »

mmrezaie wrote: post #3

I am really interested to know why should anyone go with this when Debian or Ubuntu LTS exist. The two later have not changed their policies in the last decade, and they have a clear path for upgrading. CentOS was always a clear choice for device drivers support, but I never understood the stability claims.

Because CentOS on enterprise hardware is way more stable than Debian. I've worked for 6 years as a sysadmin for 300+ servers and we migrated everything from Debian to CentOS and our hardware related issues just went away. Overall we had much less trouble in our systems.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by paul_f »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

I've never had to explain why we use GoDaddy as our domain registrar. I don't think Rocky Linux will be a problem.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by joana035 »

jtl999 wrote: post #43
CoolGuySteve wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The patch delta for security fixes must get larger over time as these packages age further and further away from top of tree. I always wonder how many major vulnerabilities are introduced into these super old distros due to backporting bugs.

Documented cases don't seem to be common, but what comes to mind is the Debian "weak keys" scandal (2008), and the VLC "libeml" vulnerability (2019)[1] [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/ch86o6/vlc_security...

OpenSSL upstream was almost abandoned during those days.

Software are always gonna have bugs, it's written by humans after all. The important thing is to acknowledge and work towards an ideal outcome.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by lock-free »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

If I've learned anything from cloud services, it's that product names mean nothing.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by Aperocky »

nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

The name sounds perfectly fine to me.

Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder

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Post by 1-6 »

lock-free wrote: post #58
nasalgoat wrote: post #35

The branding here I think is a big issue. The name "Rocky Linux" sounds too homebrew and unprofessional. CentOS sounds Enterprise-ish. I find it hard to believe any corporate client would take it seriously.

If I've learned anything from cloud services, it's that product names mean nothing.

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