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Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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Relative to other graphing calculators, I've always felt that Casio's offerings were a good value relative to TI- ever since TI captured the education market they stopped being cool and definitely stopped being a good value. I think that having Python is a neat feature. I have strong opinions about calculators in general, and have owned a wide range of Casio, HP, TI, and even some old/niche ones that only real calcul…

When did TI capture the education market?

1993.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, at least in France, those expensive graphing calculators are mandatory in high school and later if you choose to study sciences. Some of it is to avoid "cheating" (not using a computer during exams, a new "exam mode" was also recently mandated, with a flashing LED). But I am not sure why calculators are still that expensive today: https://xkcd.com/768/ That, while you can buy a linux-compatible processor for a…

We should just treat cheating as a skill, as those people will get ahead first anyway.

"Cheating as a Service" is far more common that everyone learning how to cheat.

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It has been a great wonder for me that why US highschools seems to require expensive programmable/graphing calculators especially those made by HP/TI. I assume it was some deal made by these companies with the education departments of the states and administrations. In most other countries, students complete university undergraduate courses, let alone high schools with only needing a cheap non-programmable calculator…

I bought a TI calculator after reading Americans rave about them, and I used it for a while to try and get the hang of it, but the interface really sucks compared to my Casio, so now I just use the Casio. I don't see what's so great about TI calculators.

You can compare the Casio interface with a web-mask. Plug in p and q and get the solutions to your quadratic equation. If there is no mask, you're out of luck.

The TIs instead work on the basis of functions like from a programming library. Their equivalent might be a BASH shell with pipes. That is cumbersome on the first glance but incomparably more powerful. You can chain an arbitrary amount of functions.

I once finished a 3-hour exam in 20 min since most of the questions could be translated to a like 5-lines long function-chain that took like a minute to calculate on 10 MHz but were correct in the end.

Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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It's a shame it has a screen that looks like it came from the turn of the century.

Calculators are not exactly premium devices, even though you'd likely think otherwise when you have to buy the anointed model for your kids' school. That said, Casio is probably churning these things out with a BOM around $5-$10, so you can't really expect much from the display. We're spoiled by our phones, which (weirdly enough) have no single, definitive "good" calculator on either iOS or Android (and can't be used…

> have no single, definitive "good" calculator on either iOS or Android

When your device has an app store or allows third party software in some other way it will never have a "single definitive good app" for anything, there will be many bad ones and a maybe a couple of good ones, for math there's this good one: https://github.com/mkulesh/microMathematics

Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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Relative to other graphing calculators, I've always felt that Casio's offerings were a good value relative to TI- ever since TI captured the education market they stopped being cool and definitely stopped being a good value. I think that having Python is a neat feature. I have strong opinions about calculators in general, and have owned a wide range of Casio, HP, TI, and even some old/niche ones that only real calcul…

The problem with smartphones is that social media apps tend to be more appealing than paying attention in math class.

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Relative to other graphing calculators, I've always felt that Casio's offerings were a good value relative to TI- ever since TI captured the education market they stopped being cool and definitely stopped being a good value. I think that having Python is a neat feature. I have strong opinions about calculators in general, and have owned a wide range of Casio, HP, TI, and even some old/niche ones that only real calcul…

I don't know about the current situation but about 10 year ago, the TIs with their functional setup were _multiple_ orders of magnitude more powerful than their Casio competitors. You could chain an arbitrary amount of functions. With the Casio, when there was no special mask for your purpose, you've been out of luck. Anyway, I still use my TI-84 Plus, meanwhile virtually on my smartphone using Wabbitemu [1]. [1] htt…

I used wabbitemu for a while, but eventually switched to python on termux. The Basic dialect on graphing calculators was pretty cool, but I think future students will get more out of Python on their calculators!

Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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It's a shame it has a screen that looks like it came from the turn of the century.

Calculators are not exactly premium devices, even though you'd likely think otherwise when you have to buy the anointed model for your kids' school. That said, Casio is probably churning these things out with a BOM around $5-$10, so you can't really expect much from the display. We're spoiled by our phones, which (weirdly enough) have no single, definitive "good" calculator on either iOS or Android (and can't be used…

I've tried most calculators on Android. These are my favourites (in that order):

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cz.hipercalc.p...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=us.mathlab.and...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.realmax.ca...

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mathally.c...

com.pomegranateApps.MathStudioExpress

That last one has similarities to Mathematica. It was unpublished from the Playstore a while ago. I use version 6.0.2 which, unlike the later versions, does not calculate percentages.

Honourable emulator mention: version 2.1 of com.hp.primecalculator

Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should just treat cheating as a skill, as those people will get ahead first anyway.

Until they can't cheat, then they can't do anything because they never learned how to do it. Bad idea.

One day I will learn to not use humor or sarcasm on HN. Or, God forbid, cast a shade on Peter Thiel.

Re: Casio Graphing Scientific Calculator Fx-9860GIII Comes with MicroPython

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Relative to other graphing calculators, I've always felt that Casio's offerings were a good value relative to TI- ever since TI captured the education market they stopped being cool and definitely stopped being a good value. I think that having Python is a neat feature. I have strong opinions about calculators in general, and have owned a wide range of Casio, HP, TI, and even some old/niche ones that only real calcul…

>You know what else can do calculations? The smartphones and computers that practically every student has access to.

Not very well, for educational purposes.

The experience of calculating the inverse tan of a number and returning the result in degrees is beautiful on a Casio scientific calculator; not so on iPhone's default calculator (reverse Polish) or a Google search (awkward to execute at all).

It's distracting from the educational point whenever you have to first figure out how to do the calculation on a student's particular choice of app.

Caveat: I'd usually recommend a scientific calculator for most educational purposes, not a graphing calculator; Desmos.com is great for graphing.

I'm uncertain about learning Python on a calculator, then. There are potential educational advantages to having this on a calculator: I definitely think this is worth it for Casio to experiment with. I personally learned a lot on a programmable calculator. It's mobile and likely saves you from a difficult set up process and identifying and installing a suitable IDE that works consistently across student devices (I'd say repl.it does a good job in this space)

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