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Re: Google Alternatives

#51

I'll consider Google alternatives when there is a better alternative. Until then I use the best technology. Do we really need these same posts every other week?

"Best" is a subjective measure. For a lot of people being tracked all around the internet is a non-starter. I would also argue that a lot of Google products have stagnated and are not the best on offer anymore. Hey and Protonmail for mail, Notion for docs/keep, and Sync for file syncing come to mind, but of course that's just me :)

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I feel like all that's ever talked about here as bad about search is privacy. But what about good results? Google search results have an extremely heavy commercial bias. What would the internet look like without that? I would really like to have a say in how the ranking algorithm works. If I could, for example, exclude results from the Alexa Top 100k with a toggle, I bet I'd find interesting content a lot easier.

Most "privacy-centric" search engines I've seen – especially DDG – do not approach this, probably since they use Bing results, which is just as inflexible and SEO-able as Google. Has anyone had a good experience with a search engine that implements a novel crawler and/or ranking algorithm?

I've been trying Yandex for some searches lately, and it's results seem a little less commercially catered, but there are indeed some serious privacy concerns with it [0].

I have been holding a belief lately that a nonprofit search engine that scrapes & ranks in a way that is not commercially-driven is the single most important missing piece of digital infrastructure... anyone share this view?

[0] https://nelsonslog.wordpress.com/2020/01/07/facial-recogniti...

Re: Google Alternatives

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post #52

I feel like all that's ever talked about here as bad about search is privacy. But what about good results? Google search results have an extremely heavy commercial bias. What would the internet look like without that? I would really like to have a say in how the ranking algorithm works. If I could, for example, exclude results from the Alexa Top 100k with a toggle, I bet I'd find interesting content a lot easier. Mos…

Why doesn't Million Short suit you? It is precisely that toggle to cut out the big commercial websites.

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Google is becoming more annoying by the day. It has become customary for it to force the user to accept privacy-leaking features by grouping them together with other useful features. This kind of sneaky behavior I don't like at all.

Telling you exactly what information they're gathering in exchange for asking you to opt in is an interesting definition of sneaky.

Re: Google Alternatives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

you can '!g search' in ddg to search google instead

That adds more time since the query is sent to DDG and then bounces the browser to Google. For searches where one prefers Google, using it directly (which is easier in Firefox for me) is a better option.

The latency is fairly negligible, to me at least. Plus if you're already searching in DDG it's faster to input !g than to go to Google. Also I think it's nice to give them that info where they could be done better.

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Wish there was more info on the difference between these services. I really admire DDG but I don't think they check their ads well. I have been taken in by a scam ad once before. For email, I've been using fastmail ever since I asked this[1] two years ago. It is terrific. It also provides a calendar. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574

Also came here to mention Fastmail, and was surprised it wasn't in the list in the OP.

There in a five eyes country and do not offer e2e, therefore are not included in the ultra-paranoid lists.

Re: Google Alternatives

#57

I'll consider Google alternatives when there is a better alternative. Until then I use the best technology. Do we really need these same posts every other week?

Every service needs early adopters, perhaps you are not one of them? Nothing wrong with that just as there's nothing wrong with wanting to try new services, more so when not happy with what's on offer.

Re: Google Alternatives

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post #52

I feel like all that's ever talked about here as bad about search is privacy. But what about good results? Google search results have an extremely heavy commercial bias. What would the internet look like without that? I would really like to have a say in how the ranking algorithm works. If I could, for example, exclude results from the Alexa Top 100k with a toggle, I bet I'd find interesting content a lot easier. Mos…

Changing the search provider wouldn't matter. The commercial nature of Google's results has almost nothing to do with Google and almost everything to do with SEO. Search results are far too valuable a piece of real estate for rankings to not be correlated with money. I guarantee you the army of marketers and full time SEO ninjas at Conde Nast will always figure out a way to get their content past your "no corporations allowed" filter.

Re: Google Alternatives

#59

I've tried really hard to not use google for search. But DDG is bad. I have it set as my default search. I find myself either: 1) trying duck duck go and then immediately re-searching in google to actually get relevant answers. 2) skipping the search bar and going immediately to google when I know DDG just isn't going to work. Feels like back in the olden days when you had to try Altavista, Lycos and Yahoo to find wh…

After using DDG for years, I sometimes try Google when DDG does not seem to deliver. Every time I am disgusted by the sheer amount of crap it shows me. Videos, shopping, news etc. I'll take DDGs clean result list over that any time! (And usually, Google has the same results as DDG anyway)

Re: Google Alternatives

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post #41

These are good if you're seeking to replace a single Google product, but if you're invested in the Google ecosystem it's a real pain in the ass to stitch together 15 individual alternative products. It sucks.

The list is a bit fragmented. It doesn't really give Nextcloud enough credit. Nextcloud can replace _most_ of google in one shot -- calendar, reminders, contacts, drive, docs, hangouts, maps, photos, and more ( https://apps.nextcloud.com/ ). I think it's not as popular because 1. it's not free (as in beer, but it is free as in speech) and 2. it's kind of fiddly to get up and running. You can either host it yourself o…

Google Photos is a good example of what makes it hard to switch: I can search for text in the images, object categories, etc. and Google does a half-decent job of finding what I’m looking for (e.g. when checking into a Hotel, I’ve searched for “license plate” to get my car’s license plate number or, if I remember a bottle of wine I liked, I can search “wine bottle” to find the label).
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