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The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by sevencolors »

buran77 wrote: post #50
gregable wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agreed. The spirit of the whole thing seemed about adventure, exploration, and fun. Unfortunately the reality of the finder seems to be a far different set of stress which I hope he eventually is able to escape from.

It should be the right of the finder to stay anonymous but the cat's out of the bag now. But this I don't understand though: > and they both seemed to agree that the location of the find should be kept secret In the interest of transparency after the fact I see no problem with telling people where the treasure actually was. This gives people closure especially to the ones who suffered or the families of the ones who…

He said it was recovered in Wyoming. The person with the lawsuit claims they had a location in New Mexico. Not sure how the judge would let this proceed, but here we are

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by morelisp »

fnord77 wrote: post #49
schoen wrote: post #13

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I had this funny feeling reading this, like "I've met these people before". Not literally the individual litigants or sore losers here, but people kind of like them. Then I remembered -- as I've mentioned a number of times here (including recently on the thread about the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search), I used to respond to https://www.eff.org/awards/coop e-mail. This is an award where EFF will give out monetar…

the anger, the entitlement, etc. - these people are narcissists. They'll never see the error in their ways.

> “In the way that scepticism is sometimes applied to issues of public concern, there is a tendency to belittle, to condescend, to ignore the fact that, deluded or not, supporters of superstition and pseudoscience are human beings with real feelings, who, like the sceptics, are trying to figure out how the world works and what our role in it might be. Their motives are in many cases consonant with science. If their culture has not given them all the tools they need to pursue this great quest, let us temper our criticism with kindness. None of us comes fully equipped.”

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by pnwhyc »

tylorr wrote: post #3

Are there any cryptographic tools that would let you prove that that specific treasure has been found and not by the original hider? You could store a private key in the treasure and use that to verify a signature, but how do you prove that the original hider no longer has a copy of that private key?

No. But one could use a smart contract to strongly disincentivize themselves from uncovering their own treasure.

E.g. Smart contract sends 20% of total treasure (in cryptocurrency) back to the hider each year until the treasure is withdrawn. Treasure can only be withdrawn by the finder address linked to the paper wallet (private key) that was hidden. When it is withdrawn, it sends the finder 15% of the remaining treasure each year, to an address of their choosing.

This way, it’s almost never worth it for the hider to uncover their own treasure

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by OldHand2018 »

PhantomGremlin wrote: post #35
hiimtroymclure wrote: post #4

America: The Land of Litigation

America: The Land of Litigation The key to understanding (at least this particular case) is: The case ... was brought by a Chicago real estate attorney named Barbara Andersen The key is that this attorney doesn't have to pay anyone to file the suit. She does it herself. She's working pro bono on behalf of herself. A lot less expensive to do it that way. Maybe she's bored? Maybe she's developed a bad rep and can't mak…

I think there is something extremely fishy about that.

Attorneys have to be publicly registered to practice law in the location in which they are filing lawsuits.

The New Mexico state bar association lists no admitted attorney with that name.

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by snowwrestler »

OldHand2018 wrote: post #54
PhantomGremlin wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America: The Land of Litigation The key to understanding (at least this particular case) is: The case ... was brought by a Chicago real estate attorney named Barbara Andersen The key is that this attorney doesn't have to pay anyone to file the suit. She does it herself. She's working pro bono on behalf of herself. A lot less expensive to do it that way. Maybe she's bored? Maybe she's developed a bad rep and can't mak…

I think there is something extremely fishy about that. Attorneys have to be publicly registered to practice law in the location in which they are filing lawsuits. The New Mexico state bar association lists no admitted attorney with that name.

I think this does not apply to litigation where a person is representing themselves.

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by nl »

nikhizzle wrote: post #43
nl wrote: post #30

> With that in mind, he has decided to leave the profession before becoming a practicing doctor, and may move into equities investing next. Prediction: this is going to end badly.

Perhaps, one thing I've noticed spending time around professional investors is that the best long term ones I come into contact with spend most of their time exploring first hand knowledge, whether this is via conversations or reading the public documents a company publishes. I think they very rarely rely on secondary sources, which is very similar to his approach in finding the treasure. A few examples: - An investo…

This is actually a pretty fair point I hadn't considered.

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by OldHand2018 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #55
OldHand2018 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there is something extremely fishy about that. Attorneys have to be publicly registered to practice law in the location in which they are filing lawsuits. The New Mexico state bar association lists no admitted attorney with that name.

I think this does not apply to litigation where a person is representing themselves.

Hmm, that's a good point. Perhaps that is possible.

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by retox »

mannykannot wrote: post #46
dkarp wrote: post #25

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I have to agree. It's an allegory of greed. The "Monolith" gives me similar vibes.

I just can't see where there is a greed angle to the monolith events.

Self promotion and advertising to sell copies

https://www.themostfamousartist.com/maas/edition-of-3

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by buran77 »

sevencolors wrote: post #51
buran77 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be the right of the finder to stay anonymous but the cat's out of the bag now. But this I don't understand though: > and they both seemed to agree that the location of the find should be kept secret In the interest of transparency after the fact I see no problem with telling people where the treasure actually was. This gives people closure especially to the ones who suffered or the families of the ones who…

He said it was recovered in Wyoming. The person with the lawsuit claims they had a location in New Mexico. Not sure how the judge would let this proceed, but here we are

> He said

That's the problem, it's a "he said she said" because there's no official record. The decision to keep the location hidden even after the hunt was over makes no sense. And now the source of truth is dead with no evidence left behind, that we know of now. Imagine the lottery awarding the prize without telling you the numbers.

> Not sure how the judge would let this proceed

Because judges tend to be wary about claims made by the accused that don't have some evidence behind them to review. Fenn's log book or diary, any dated record from the time he planned and executed the preparation for the treasure hunt, or his signed affidavit could have been exactly what stopped these lawsuits in their tracks.

But as it stands neither Fenn nor the finder of the treasure considered it's a good idea to be transparent even after many people suffered financial hardship, injuries, or even death pursuing the same dream. This is not an unexpected outcome.

Re: The Man Who Found Forrest Fenn's Treasure

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Post by daniel-cussen »

8bitsrule wrote: post #48
gamblor956 wrote: post #18

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It's a horrible story. Some rich idiot put a treasure box on public lands, resulting in significant amounts of damage to national parks and monuments and several deaths. It was ruined from the beginning and it's a damn shame Fenn is no longer around to be prosecuted for it.

Out of hundreds of thousands of treasure-hunters, over a decade, four or five people are said to have died while looking. On average, 38 skiers and snowboarders die in the US each year ... 1600 go missing in wilderness areas ... 5000 die riding motorcycles. Treasure-hunting looks pretty safe. Feel free to hide in your home.

Multiple deaths just for this treasure and the guy didn't end it after being asked by police. I think that if 5 skiers died on one mountain that ski lift would be shut down.
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