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Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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I balance the two by reading longform articles that convey a single idea well, rather than books that take too long to read and clickbait articles that provide instant-gratification but nothing of lasting value. (I highly recommend the Thinking About Things newsletter [0] and LongReads [1] for finding these kinds of articles.) [0] https://twitter.com/ThinkingAboutT6 [1] https://longreads.com/

Thinking About Things is really good. I couldn't stop scrolling and adding things to Pocket. Thank you for the recommendation.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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Hah, this is exploiting the old, 'back in my day music was good, unlike whatever you are listening to now'. In other words, you let everyone else filter for you.

Or: Lindy Effect, survivorship bias, some kind of incentive that selects for quality over time, etc. Music is almost purely for entertainment and not for information so tastes can afford to be variable. And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other.

> And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other.

This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold.

> among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other.

I fail to see what makes old books capable of disagreeing with each other and recent releases incapable. At some point new releases become old and therefore they suddenly attain the ability to disagree with each other?

I fail to see the difference between music and books tbh. Whatever remains popular has, as you said, some property or quality that helps preserve it in memory.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or: Lindy Effect, survivorship bias, some kind of incentive that selects for quality over time, etc. Music is almost purely for entertainment and not for information so tastes can afford to be variable. And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other.

> And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold. > among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. I fail to see what makes old b…

> This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold.

What books are considered part of a canon will always trail behind the total number of books being published, so the total set will either remain stable or increase in size.

However, I think your assumption that it will somehow converge only holds if the criterion of quality are both universal and consistent. Neither has to be true – different cultures have different measures and weights for quality, and within cultures there are disagreement as to what quality is (even in a contemporary setting). Hence my next claim.

> I fail to see what makes old books capable of disagreeing with each other and recent releases incapable. At some point new releases become old and therefore they suddenly attain the ability to disagree with each other?

That's the point – it equivocates the two which allows you to be indifferent between them upto other factors, since you should expect both new and old books to be diverse, rather than the monoculture of thought you are attempting to resist by going completely your own way. Those other factors can include possible selection effects like I have claimed above which act as signals for a book's quality.

I guess the only thing left to add is that you can't read everything, but there's a lot you could read. Given this problem, does one be an early adopter for a book or not?

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold. > among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. I fail to see what makes old b…

> This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold. What books are considered part of a canon will always trail behind the total number of books being published, so the total set will either remain stable or increase in size. However, I think your assumption that it will somehow converge only holds…

Riffing off of this:

A better heuristic that can accommodate both the observation and necessity of change in how books are appraised could be: "What is the oldest possible correct book for the given topic, that continues to be read today?" If new books come for new topics that's fine, read them if the topic matters. Else older books might be better to use given the previous argument.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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My experience is that books come in two forms: ones that can be summarized by a blog post (e.g. any Malcolm Gladwell book) and those that contain content of irreducible complexity (e.g. history books or textbooks). I usually get bored with the first type of book because it just rehashes the same thing over and over again. So, when you choose book vs article, I think this distinction should be part of the thought proc…

I'm a big fan of the adage to not read anything younger than 10/20/30 years old. by definition most books are mediocre, especially new ones, and only reading stuff older than a certain age helps filter out the crap. same goes with blog posts to a certain extent - there are a number of shorter works that are constantly posted on HN ( http://jsomers.net/hn/ ) and many of them are worth reading. though tbh I read a lot…

> I'm a big fan of the adage to not read anything younger than 10/20/30 years old

The only issue I really have with this is textbooks. Especially true for humanities/history where some new things have come to light or new theories/fields have developed.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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My experience is that books come in two forms: ones that can be summarized by a blog post (e.g. any Malcolm Gladwell book) and those that contain content of irreducible complexity (e.g. history books or textbooks). I usually get bored with the first type of book because it just rehashes the same thing over and over again. So, when you choose book vs article, I think this distinction should be part of the thought proc…

I'm a big fan of the adage to not read anything younger than 10/20/30 years old. by definition most books are mediocre, especially new ones, and only reading stuff older than a certain age helps filter out the crap. same goes with blog posts to a certain extent - there are a number of shorter works that are constantly posted on HN ( http://jsomers.net/hn/ ) and many of them are worth reading. though tbh I read a lot…

> by definition most books are mediocre

What? Oh, well, in that regard most elements in any category is mediocre. Doesn’t really mean much...

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And books are published on all sorts of topics so even despite this, among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold. > among old books you can find weird things that disagree with each other. I fail to see what makes old b…

> This is recursive and implies a decrease in diversity over time, starting from enormously high and reaching abysmally small. But I am fairly certain that it doesn't hold. What books are considered part of a canon will always trail behind the total number of books being published, so the total set will either remain stable or increase in size. However, I think your assumption that it will somehow converge only holds…

Thank you for explaining your POV. In retrospect, my first comment insinuates a lazy approach to filtering. However, I didn't intend so, and it caused a misunderstanding, because we are in agreement. I did not intend to suggest that 'allowing other people to select for you' creates a monoculture, though the lack of information in the sentence and my subsequent replies points to that.

> I guess the only thing left to add is that you can't read everything, but there's a lot you could read. Given this problem, does one be an early adopter for a book or not?

The answer to the explore-exploit dilemma is dependent on the remaining time and your reward function, i.e. goals. I am still in my infancy as an avid reader, therefore I can not give a good enough comment.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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I dump articles into instapaper send them to my kindle when there's a pile of them. That's usually every week. Then, when I have some free time, waiting for my beef stew, for instance, I'll chip at them little by little. Some really short ones --- a short news for instance, I just skim over them when I see them. Some articles require more concentration, and I'll usually add them to my At-Desk to do list. When I'm at…

I read mostly fiction books too. (At bed time mostly) For articles I save them them to Pocket, and then every so often I'll edit the list.

I make a zine called https://WaldenPond.press that I get delivered once a month. Then I leave my phone inside and read for 20 minutes or so on the balcony while I have a coffee in the morning.

It doesn't sound like much, but I'm consistently getting through the 4 hour edition in about 2 weeks. Then I switch to just reading my fiction book in the morning as well as at night.

Re: Ask HN: How do you balance reading books vs. articles

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a big fan of the adage to not read anything younger than 10/20/30 years old. by definition most books are mediocre, especially new ones, and only reading stuff older than a certain age helps filter out the crap. same goes with blog posts to a certain extent - there are a number of shorter works that are constantly posted on HN ( http://jsomers.net/hn/ ) and many of them are worth reading. though tbh I read a lot…

> by definition most books are mediocre What? Oh, well, in that regard most elements in any category is mediocre. Doesn’t really mean much...

Sturgeon's law: "ninety percent of everything is crap." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon%27s_law
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