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Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by kamera »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #44
kamera wrote: post #22

Imagine your thought would be more like: "huh what made a fellow human go so far to steal from an AirBnB rental in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving? We should make sure that education and social support are so strong that this is not an issue. But hey, its just easier to try to solve it the other way around right? You can develop your face detection and human beeing tracking skynet from your nice SF home with your nice gear…

> "huh what made a fellow human go so far to steal from an AirBnB rental in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving? You seem to imply desperation, lack of perspective etc., but given that what they stole is worth several months' of wages for many people, maybe it was just greed, and the person doesn't need help, they need proper incentives. And by incentives, I mean getting caught and thrown in jail.

" imply desperation, lack of perspective etc"

Does it really matter when you steal if you take all macbooks or just one?

Of course those people don't see any issue in what they are doing. It's time to resocialize people.

Proper incentive? Like being thrown into jail which is not designed to rehabilitate those people?

It looks to me that this is a very good approach on how its handled in the USA. Not solving any real issues, making sure people land in jail and when they are out, continuing what they where doing before. Additional more police force, more video cameras, more survailance systems, more guns (don't forget the guns!) etc.

Sounds similar to 'war of drugs' which works as well as the USA prison system.

Don't get me wrong, perhaps USA is just so so much different then the rest of the world but the USA has the most people incarcerated per 100,000 residents of the whole world. Just let that sink in and question yourself if there is just something not working.

"The U.S. incarceration rate is 693 per 100,000 residents —compared to 76 per 100,000 in Germany"

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by baby »

kamera wrote: post #23
baby wrote: post #8

It’s unfortunate, and Airbnb makes enough in service fee that they should be faster to help on these cases. Once I was in SF and my Airbnb cancelled on me right at check-in time. I was tired, had luggages, I just went to the hilton and checked-in. It was really hard and I had to argue but Airbnb ended up reimbursing me. Still, I’m scared about the next time I’ll run in troubles with Airbnb. I find it more and more ex…

funny right? On one side you have a real hotel businses, with clear cleaning standards, proper managers and personel. With experience, with save rooms, room standards etc. But you prefer to go with Airbnb while writing stuff like "Still, I’m scared about the next time I’ll run in troubles with Airbnb." How about you accept the fact, that AirBnB works because it strips all that stuff, which makes hotels more expensive…

I just hate hotels so much... I find them expensive, dirty, impersonal (I can remember all the airbnbs I’ve been, and I always felt like I lived in the city for real while in an Airbnb, I can’t remember a single hotel room I’ve been to besides the marina bay sands in singapore)

I much prefer staying at a real place. It’s not Airbnb that I like, it’s the concept. The last place I booked was actually through VRBO.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

#53

Post by baby »

b112 wrote: post #46
nobody9999 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Still, I’m scared about the next time I’ll run in troubles with Airbnb. I've had good experiences with https://vrbo.com But as with anything else, YMMV.

I use vrbo.com, as I will never ever give my ID to an online platform to "scan" and "verify". Regardless of statements of "But we delete it after" and "it's safe", time has shown me, again and again, that these statements cannot be made reliably, no matter how much the company desires it. Even if the platform is 100% safe, patched, security is iron-clad, you still have rogue employees stealing and re-selling IDs. It'…

What’s the value in reselling an ID? And don’t you want a platform to have a bit more control than say craigslist in order to avoid scams?

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by baby »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #10
baby wrote: post #6

An Oculus Quest 2 is 300$ not 400$. Just saying.

The 256gb version is $400. But even if the author had messed that up, or had (like me) bought it in a country with VAT so they paid more for it, does that really matter?

Yes it does, because it’s cheap enough that you should get one! It’s an amazing device :)

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by b112 »

baby wrote: post #53
b112 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use vrbo.com, as I will never ever give my ID to an online platform to "scan" and "verify". Regardless of statements of "But we delete it after" and "it's safe", time has shown me, again and again, that these statements cannot be made reliably, no matter how much the company desires it. Even if the platform is 100% safe, patched, security is iron-clad, you still have rogue employees stealing and re-selling IDs. It'…

What’s the value in reselling an ID? And don’t you want a platform to have a bit more control than say craigslist in order to avoid scams?

Uh, what?

You've never heard of identity theft? Or did you ask the same question after Equifax was hacked? I'm not sure I can take that question seriously.

As for ID or no ID, it seems odd that demanding ID, still ends up with all of these airbnb horror stories, yes? Thing is, VRBO checks out landlords more stringently than airbnb, and also charges slightly more.

ID doesn't give control, although I suppose it gives the illusion of it.

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by baby »

b112 wrote: post #55
baby wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the value in reselling an ID? And don’t you want a platform to have a bit more control than say craigslist in order to avoid scams?

Uh, what? You've never heard of identity theft? Or did you ask the same question after Equifax was hacked? I'm not sure I can take that question seriously. As for ID or no ID, it seems odd that demanding ID, still ends up with all of these airbnb horror stories, yes? Thing is, VRBO checks out landlords more stringently than airbnb, and also charges slightly more. ID doesn't give control, although I suppose it gives t…

An ID is a public document, you show it to anyone asking for it (when buying alcohol, when signing something, when entering a bar, etc.) so if you were scared of identity theft...

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by Holylander »

Disjointed story - if MacBooks were replaced, "money not an issue" - what are you complaining about then ? Why write this sobbing tale?

The story lost credibility with me the moment I saw that all his "stolen" goods list he put with affiliate links to Amazon :) ...

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by [deleted] »

kamera wrote: post #51
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "huh what made a fellow human go so far to steal from an AirBnB rental in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving? You seem to imply desperation, lack of perspective etc., but given that what they stole is worth several months' of wages for many people, maybe it was just greed, and the person doesn't need help, they need proper incentives. And by incentives, I mean getting caught and thrown in jail.

" imply desperation, lack of perspective etc" Does it really matter when you steal if you take all macbooks or just one? Of course those people don't see any issue in what they are doing. It's time to resocialize people. Proper incentive? Like being thrown into jail which is not designed to rehabilitate those people? It looks to me that this is a very good approach on how its handled in the USA. Not solving any real…

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Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

#59

Post by b112 »

baby wrote: post #56
b112 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, what? You've never heard of identity theft? Or did you ask the same question after Equifax was hacked? I'm not sure I can take that question seriously. As for ID or no ID, it seems odd that demanding ID, still ends up with all of these airbnb horror stories, yes? Thing is, VRBO checks out landlords more stringently than airbnb, and also charges slightly more. ID doesn't give control, although I suppose it gives t…

An ID is a public document, you show it to anyone asking for it (when buying alcohol, when signing something, when entering a bar, etc.) so if you were scared of identity theft...

I don't show my ID to "anyone asking for it", but to those whom I choose. Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours.

As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authenticity, against my face or signature.. then immediately returned.

Meanwhile, the digital copy can be further endlessly copied, and without me seeing it happen. I must trust that it is deleted, trust it is never copied, trust the org does not have a leak, trust all her employees, and the list goes on and on and on.

Control, you see, is vital in this equation. Trust, and control. Trust, that I have control. Some of my ID has identification numbers on them. I do not want them to be recorded, and immediately snag back my ID if someone attempts to write them down.

Can I see someone copying my digitized ID? Snag it back, if I mysteriously become aware of it? No, no I can not.

FYI, I actually looked at some of your comment history, for I was absolutely certain you were a professional troll. I see you are not, yet this is how strongly my mind sits in a state of vast befuddlement.

ID theft has been international news, countless laws exist to protect ID, identity.

Yet, you just shrug this all aside, and 'meh' the whole thing?

Re: An Airbnb Thanksgiving Burglary

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Post by baby »

b112 wrote: post #59
baby wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An ID is a public document, you show it to anyone asking for it (when buying alcohol, when signing something, when entering a bar, etc.) so if you were scared of identity theft...

I don't show my ID to "anyone asking for it", but to those whom I choose. Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours. As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authen…

> Further, it is not a "public document". If it were public, I could demand that (for example) the license bureau give me a copy of yours.

That's not what "public" necessarily mean, what you have in mind is published in a public registry, while public here means that there are no secrets involved. Your ID is being circulated, and scanned, and copied, between different people and companies and organizations that you want it or not, because there is no way you can get around in the US (or in most countries) without sharing your ID, or a photo of it, or a photocopy, or the content in it.

> As well, there is a massive difference between showing it for a second to a person, and uploading a digitized image of it. In the former, there is no copy or record of it made. It is merely examined for authenticity, against my face or signature.. then immediately returned.

It's a negligible distinction IMO, some people can make an effort to remember what's on the ID, or to sneakily have a way to take a picture of it. Once you're displaying your ID to somebody's eyes, or handing it to them, it's fair game.

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