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Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Most of what makes the M1 interesting is TSMC's 5nm process, why wouldn't we expect similar results from future x86 CPUs on 5nm or smaller.

At least AMD is supporting upstream Linux development for GPU support, if you care about Free software and control over your computers, throw your money at companies better aligned with those goals. Don't reward Apple for being assholes.

<=5nm AMD Zen SoCs will be fantastic as well

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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I think this is a legitimate concern, but it seems less likely to me, specifically in the case of Apple hardware, for two reasons: 1. There will be far more interest in being able to run Linux on that hardware, and in being able to keep it up to date (since it'll be a daily driver). 2. Apple are probably less likely to regularly make drastic changes between hardware revisions because they will need to support multipl…

I'm skeptical. Linux is reasonably popular for "Windows" hardware, most statistics put it at about 0.5% market share. I've never seen anyone running Linux on Intel Macs. Why would ARM Macs, which seem quite a bit more locked down, ever become a better supported and more popular Linux hardware platform? I wish they would become one, but I don't see how we can make this leap.

Hi from Linux on an Intel Mac.

(I've got fixing up amdgpu to work on this 2015 iMac on my TODO list too... might even do that as a bonus warm-up if this takes off, while I get my hands on an M1 mac)

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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This talk was posted in another comment chain: https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-7946-console_hacking_2016 This was 3 years after the hardware release, presented on substantially more locked-down (but x86 and PC-like GPU to be fair) hardware with a demonstration of Portal 2 running in real time. Presented by the person you are replying to. I'm also assuming there was no funding involved given the requirement to build an ex…

To be fair, as the author of that: that was mostly a job of reverse engineering what was weird/broken/different about the PS4's GPU, which is otherwise a standard Radeon. It was effectively adding support for a new Radeon variant chip of an existing GPU generation. There was definitely a deep dive into the platform and I reverse engineered the proprietary Radeon firmware CPU architecture in the process (which nobody…

If you get funding to do the Linux to Apple hardware port, have you considered streaming the whole process on e.g. Twitch?

Would be very interesting to watch everything from the sideline. And as a reason to do it, aside from being inspiring and educational to others, by live-streaming your work you will certainly be able to attract even more funding over time.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Apple won't support it, therefore support and maintenance will be working around apples proprietary hardware and special drivers. Linux is not meant to live in that environment, I'd argue bettering support for other OEM's is a more fruitfull goal.

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm skeptical. Linux is reasonably popular for "Windows" hardware, most statistics put it at about 0.5% market share. I've never seen anyone running Linux on Intel Macs. Why would ARM Macs, which seem quite a bit more locked down, ever become a better supported and more popular Linux hardware platform? I wish they would become one, but I don't see how we can make this leap.

Hi from Linux on an Intel Mac. (I've got fixing up amdgpu to work on this 2015 iMac on my TODO list too... might even do that as a bonus warm-up if this takes off, while I get my hands on an M1 mac)

I admire the work but you have to admit that even after all this time it's easier to install Ubuntu, say, on a random PC :-)

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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post #51

Most of what makes the M1 interesting is TSMC's 5nm process, why wouldn't we expect similar results from future x86 CPUs on 5nm or smaller. At least AMD is supporting upstream Linux development for GPU support, if you care about Free software and control over your computers, throw your money at companies better aligned with those goals. Don't reward Apple for being assholes. <=5nm AMD Zen SoCs will be fantastic as we…

Is there an ETA for 5nm AMD SoCs?

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

#58
I used to run Ubuntu on an Intel macbook back around 2009 or so. In general stuff worked ok but little things like the touchpad was goofy and only basic functionality. webcam had all kinds of problems. Suspend/resume didn't really work. Battery life was terrible. Screen brightness buttons didn't work.

So I'm sure it's cool and people will like it but no, I'm not paying $5 month for a crappy computer experience. Good luck though!

Re: Would you be willing to fund a Linux port to Apple Silicon?

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Most of what makes the M1 interesting is TSMC's 5nm process, why wouldn't we expect similar results from future x86 CPUs on 5nm or smaller. At least AMD is supporting upstream Linux development for GPU support, if you care about Free software and control over your computers, throw your money at companies better aligned with those goals. Don't reward Apple for being assholes. <=5nm AMD Zen SoCs will be fantastic as we…

Is there an ETA for 5nm AMD SoCs?

Not AFAIK, but it's not like 7nm AMD SoCs are intolerable dogs.

Most M1 vs. PC comparisons are being made against Intel's ancient process, for obvious Apple-favoring reasons.

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