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Re: Hire people who give a shit

#51

Oh my, what drivel. Another startup CEO who thinks late-stage employees with essentially zero upside in the company need to put in founder hours.

Thank you! The ideology of this post is so harmful. "Hire workers who care more about your interests than their own!"

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#52

I have a genuine question and I'm not trying to be snarky -- do people actually think this way in real life, or is it an elaborate social game of pretending to be more "passionate" than the next guy? Scale seems like a cool company with an interesting product, but let's be honest, rational people here - they aren't curing cancer, creating art, or landing on Normandy Beach. This seems obvious to any self-aware person.…

> "I have a genuine question and I'm not trying to be snarky -- do people actually think this way in real life, or is it an elaborate social game of pretending to be more "passionate" than the next guy?"

The instinct for tribalism is strong and that tendency is aided by the cheerleading that's done at all-hands meetings and other motivational internal meetings. I have met more than a few people who were long term employees who were genuinely gung-ho about their employer but they had a rude awakening when the the business needed to do layoffs for the first time.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#53

I have a genuine question and I'm not trying to be snarky -- do people actually think this way in real life, or is it an elaborate social game of pretending to be more "passionate" than the next guy? Scale seems like a cool company with an interesting product, but let's be honest, rational people here - they aren't curing cancer, creating art, or landing on Normandy Beach. This seems obvious to any self-aware person.…

> do people actually think this way in real life

Having had many interviews and a couple of jobs where my passion for the company seemed to be far more important than the quality of my experience, etc., yes.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#54

Oh my, what drivel. Another startup CEO who thinks late-stage employees with essentially zero upside in the company need to put in founder hours.

For those reading this article who might be tempted to a company like this: stay away! You’ll not get any meaningful equity, what you have will be quickly diluted, and as the company either starts its death spiral or “March towards profitability” you’ll be asked to work inappropriate hours and your commitment to the company will be questioned.

Go for an early stage startup with meaningful equity or just go for a more stable, profitable company.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#55

Oh my, what drivel. Another startup CEO who thinks late-stage employees with essentially zero upside in the company need to put in founder hours.

I got a kick out of the sample interview questions...if I were asked them, my answers make clear the worst part about this kind of culture:

>>> What’s the hardest you’ve ever worked on something?

Lead-up to the holiday season as an employee of an ecommerce startup.

>>> How many hours were you working a week?

Way, way, way too many.

>>> When were you the most unmotivated in your life?

The entire following year!

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#57
Not a native speaker, but for me "giving a shit" doesn't sound like you really care for something. Ok, it's (maybe) better than "not giving a shit", which is nothing at all, but it's not much more than the bare minimum...

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#58
post #32

One useful piece of advice that I have received is that there are tradeoffs in giving shit at work. This article mentions downsides of not giving a shit, but doesn't mention downsides of giving too much shit, that is, getting too emotionally attached to the work you are doing. Especially in big companies projects get cancelled or requirements change or managers assign work that doesn't even make sense, and if you are…

I care about my team and our product, because that’s in my sphere of influence.

I work hard to be a good engineer, and I work hard to be a good employee in the way I interact with and support my coworkers.

Recognize where you have influence and where the best place to make those investments are. It’s usually NOT for the whole company.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#59
This was stolen from Atomic Object, then contorted. AO had this as one of its original five workplace tenets. But it was more like "help each other out". Last I looked, they changed it to "care deeply", which I guess is more PC.

Re: Hire people who give a shit

#60
One of the fears of a technical downturn I have is that I might be forced to look for work with a CEO like this. They care nothing about you but ask that you care immensely about them. It’s like an abusive relationship where one person takes constantly and gaslights you into believing actually it’s good.

They’ll outsource your job if they can, claiming a foreign worker will work harder and care more, when in reality they’re able to act like tollbooths on bridges to America extracting what they can from people who want to escape their country.

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