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Re: Writing well

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post #46

I found this very hard to read. There are so many short sentences and bullet points that it looks like a PowerPoint presentation masquerading as prose. What he seems to have lost with this approach is a rhythm. It's a staccato battering with ideas. I'd much rather be seduced and cradled by writing that made me feel I'm learning by osmosis and not trepanning. EDIT: The author illustrates how his writing goes wrong by…

Wouldn't it be simpler to just say something like: > Keep sentences brief; unnecessary filler obscures your point and bores the reader. "Brevity is the soul of wit."

There are different kinds of long windedness. One kind, that people most think about, is rambling, bringing up unimportant points, repeating something you've already said etc. The other kind is more on the wordsmithing level of formulating the same thing in fewer words by switching out longer, less dense grammatical structures with snappier ones.

It's very much like refactoring code. You can do it on a higher level by cutting out entire chunks of code that don't really need to be done, or on a low level by being familiar with the language's helpful syntactic sugars, best practices, to make the meaning clear and less obscured by boilerplate and "syntactic chores".

I noticed the effectiveness of low-level refactoring in prose when I first started writing academic papers. Since page limits are strict, you need to pay attention to eliminate any words that aren't necessary and are thin on semantics. This doesn't mean writing in staccato. But when you spot a paragraph where a single word spills over to an extra line, it requires a specific learnable skill to rewrite a sentence or two to eliminate the extra line. You can often tell how much someone wordsmithed around on a paper by seeing how long the last line of each paragraph is.

Of course sometimes gains are on the high level, I'm not saying that good writing is just about messing with the low level of the actual words and the grammar. Similarly to the debate whether premature optimization is the root of all evil, it's about a balance in writing too. First you must have clear thoughts on what to say and what you can leave out. But at the end, when things have settled, it is worth to go over it once again at specific places and low-level edit things to be snappier, counting words, letters and millimeters on the paper.

Re: Writing well

#53

I found this very hard to read. There are so many short sentences and bullet points that it looks like a PowerPoint presentation masquerading as prose. What he seems to have lost with this approach is a rhythm. It's a staccato battering with ideas. I'd much rather be seduced and cradled by writing that made me feel I'm learning by osmosis and not trepanning. EDIT: The author illustrates how his writing goes wrong by…

Ironically, "when no additional words can be removed" is the same number of words as "remove words that don’t add necessary context" but communicates less by leaving out the concept of context.

Changing "To be brief on the sentence-level" to "To write brief sentences" then leaving the rest would have been better.

Re: Writing well

#54
Great read with pleasing aesthetics. However, there is one point I do not agree with, namely:

> That isn't to say children should understand your references and jargon. Do not over-simplify your language and weaken your ideas. Rather, children must be able to follow the logic of every argument.

Richard Feynman argues that people often hide between jargon to hide the fact that one doesn't know. As a programmer, I often see jargon as an additional dependency and only introduce it if I really cannot avoid it.

Re: Writing well

#55

I found this very hard to read. There are so many short sentences and bullet points that it looks like a PowerPoint presentation masquerading as prose. What he seems to have lost with this approach is a rhythm. It's a staccato battering with ideas. I'd much rather be seduced and cradled by writing that made me feel I'm learning by osmosis and not trepanning. EDIT: The author illustrates how his writing goes wrong by…

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Re: Writing well

#56
post #43

The style of this article reminds me of Wittgenstein: short, clinical, almost mathematical statements, with no poetical ambition whatsover. I understand that there might be situations in which such a style is appropriate, but this article is just very annoying to read. I would not definitely not call it "good writing". The kind of "clarity" presented here as good writing works well if you assume that everything that…

Just as an aside: This seems like a very unfair characterisation of Wittgenstein to me. His writing can be almost mathematical, but it can also be very poetic, playful and funny. Appreciating his writing might be a matter of taste, but it seems clear to me that his writing had a lot of "poetical ambition". How we use language was one of his primary concerns and he clearly cared a lot about how he himself wrote. In Philosophische Untersuchungen I see a lot of warmth in his writing. Often it seems like he is talking very personally to the reader like he would to a friend.

From quick googling it seems like I am not alone in my view of Wittgenstein as a poetic philosopher, see e.g.

https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/978019...

https://www.uib.no/en/news/101796/wittgenstein-poetic-philos...

Re: Writing well

#57
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't it be simpler to just say something like: > Keep sentences brief; unnecessary filler obscures your point and bores the reader. "Brevity is the soul of wit."

There are different kinds of long windedness. One kind, that people most think about, is rambling, bringing up unimportant points, repeating something you've already said etc. The other kind is more on the wordsmithing level of formulating the same thing in fewer words by switching out longer, less dense grammatical structures with snappier ones. It's very much like refactoring code. You can do it on a higher level b…

On the topic of brevity vs. long-windedness, I'm surprised nobody seems to have mentioned the (in)famous:

> I didn’t have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/28/shorter-letter/

Re: Writing well

#59
You know what I consider engaging writing? HN comments

Good HN comments are longer than tweets but shorter than essays, they strike a perfect balance of expressing an interesting idea in a reasonable time. And they always have an underlying, implicit amount of playful pedantry that makes them even more fun to read.

This very comment was fun to write because not even I know if I'm being sarcastic or not.

Re: Writing well

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are different kinds of long windedness. One kind, that people most think about, is rambling, bringing up unimportant points, repeating something you've already said etc. The other kind is more on the wordsmithing level of formulating the same thing in fewer words by switching out longer, less dense grammatical structures with snappier ones. It's very much like refactoring code. You can do it on a higher level b…

On the topic of brevity vs. long-windedness, I'm surprised nobody seems to have mentioned the (in)famous: > I didn’t have time to write you a short letter, so I wrote you a long one. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/04/28/shorter-letter/

I remember at university, we had a lot of exams with heavy emphasis on essay-based answers where I'd frequently see my friends and peers ask for second and even third answer booklets. As a left-handed person with poor writing technique, writing continuously for a 3 hour exam caused me a fair amount of discomfort and pain, so i'd take a lot of breaks. So when my friends were leaving the exam 30 minutes early, having filled three booklets, I was staying to the very end - struggling to fill even one.

In nearly every example of this, I got (marginally) better grades than them.

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