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World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by kgwgk »

romanoderoma wrote: post #50
raspyberr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says the chicks are used for reptile food. And now basically the eggs will be used for reptile food instead.

The meat of 6 billions chicks was needed to feed domestic reptiles? Assuming they weight around 30 grams it's ~1,800,000 tons of meat That's a lot of meat, I didn't know people kept so many reptiles in their homes. p.s. 1,800,000 tons of meat could feed 180,000,000 people in Africa for a year (assuming an average in North and Central Africa of 10kg/person/year which is optimistic for some of the countries there). It'…

> Assuming they weight around 30 grams it's ~1,800,000 tons of meat

Check your math.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by romanoderoma »

kgwgk wrote: post #51
romanoderoma wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meat of 6 billions chicks was needed to feed domestic reptiles? Assuming they weight around 30 grams it's ~1,800,000 tons of meat That's a lot of meat, I didn't know people kept so many reptiles in their homes. p.s. 1,800,000 tons of meat could feed 180,000,000 people in Africa for a year (assuming an average in North and Central Africa of 10kg/person/year which is optimistic for some of the countries there). It'…

> Assuming they weight around 30 grams it's ~1,800,000 tons of meat Check your math.

Yep, it's 180,000 tons.

Which would still feed 18,000,000 million people in Africa for a year.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by kgwgk »

dep_b wrote: post #33
carlmr wrote: post #11

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Capon is considered animal cruelty in many countries, so availability is an issue here. Aside from that I'm not sure how you imagine not killing the birds by eating them?

I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. If you're against eating meat as a principle then it's probably pretty useless. But eating the less wanted meat or produce really helps preventing pollution through overproduction of food that is never eaten. There are many people that think it's more ethical to kill a cow just for it's meat than to eat the meat of a horse, whic…

> than to eat the meat of a horse, which is never bred just for its meat.

Maybe you meant to write

> the meat of a horse which was not bred just for its meat

Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

#54

Post by Vinnl »

ImprobableTruth wrote: post #38
Vinnl wrote: post #23

Given that this article is from 2018 - does anyone know if this spread to other countries in the mean time? (And for bonus points: to the Netherlands?)

According to their website (which is also available in dutch [1]), outside of Germany they're only available in Paris and Jumbo supermarkets in the Netherlands. [1] https://respeggt.com/nl/de-producten/

Ah, since relatively recently even, thanks! I'll look for them soon.

Then the question is: which would be preferable, these or organic eggs?

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by dep_b »

La1n wrote: post #46
dep_b wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. If you're against eating meat as a principle then it's probably pretty useless. But eating the less wanted meat or produce really helps preventing pollution through overproduction of food that is never eaten. There are many people that think it's more ethical to kill a cow just for it's meat than to eat the meat of a horse, whic…

>I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. I think that is more of an ethical debate than a fact. One could argue that most farmed chickens live a life of suffering, and keeping them suffering long is not better than gassing them immediately.

But the same goes for the chickens that remain to lay eggs.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by dep_b »

kgwgk wrote: post #53
dep_b wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm simply stating that raising them to eat is better than just gassing them immediately. If you're against eating meat as a principle then it's probably pretty useless. But eating the less wanted meat or produce really helps preventing pollution through overproduction of food that is never eaten. There are many people that think it's more ethical to kill a cow just for it's meat than to eat the meat of a horse, whic…

> than to eat the meat of a horse, which is never bred just for its meat. Maybe you meant to write > the meat of a horse which was not bred just for its meat Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat.

> Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat.

I don't know enough about the numbers worldwide to give you real hard data but the majority of all of the horse meat consumed worldwide is not from horses bred with the sole purpose to breed it for it's meat. I have the idea that it's not more than 30%.

Also the horses that are primarily bred for food are for a large part free roaming in places where other cattle simply wouldn't survive. This in contrast to other meats (chicken, veal, pork) that are often raised in factory like environments.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by kgwgk »

dep_b wrote: post #56
kgwgk wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> than to eat the meat of a horse, which is never bred just for its meat. Maybe you meant to write > the meat of a horse which was not bred just for its meat Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat.

> Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat. I don't know enough about the numbers worldwide to give you real hard data but the majority of all of the horse meat consumed worldwide is not from horses bred with the sole purpose to breed it for it's meat. I have the idea that it's not more than 30%. Also the horses that are primarily bred for food are for a large part free roaming in places where other ca…

"Not the majority" is quite different from "never" :-)

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by dep_b »

kgwgk wrote: post #57
dep_b wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Millions of horses are raised every year for their meat. I don't know enough about the numbers worldwide to give you real hard data but the majority of all of the horse meat consumed worldwide is not from horses bred with the sole purpose to breed it for it's meat. I have the idea that it's not more than 30%. Also the horses that are primarily bred for food are for a large part free roaming in places where other ca…

"Not the majority" is quite different from "never" :-)

True, I assumed it was "never" as the exported/imported horse meat I knew was a byproduct of a country that simply had a huge horse culture and a taboo on eating the meat at the same time. But I gathered some information and it seems that there are herds bred purely for consumption. TIL!

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by difosfor »

I suppose it's slightly more animal friendly. On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines. Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment. Working towards one final giant culling of all unnaturally engineered animals and just continuing on with a small number of animals to live reasonably natural lives and produce goods for realistic, high, prizes to be consumed as a luxury or exotic thing. Sorry, I'm a dreamer I guess, continuously disappointed by a world that doesn't seem to be able to set any significant goals nor pursue them at large scale unless it's for profit and likely at the cost of the rest of the world.

Re: World's first no-kill eggs go on sale in Berlin (2018)

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Post by slothtrop »

difosfor wrote: post #59

I suppose it's slightly more animal friendly. On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines. Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment. Working towards one final giant culling of all unnaturally engineered animals and just continuing on with a small numb…

Nothing's ever enough for vegans.

> Would be more interested in seeing more means of producing tasty food without using animals and at reduced costs to the environment.

There is increasingly more of that all the time.

> On the other hand it just seems like another step into the direction of turning the chickens into optimized food machines.

Another step? They aren't getting any more optimized, if anything new available options are scaling that back in favor of more land-use, open space, slower growth.

> Sorry, I'm a dreamer I guess, continuously disappointed by a world that doesn't seem to be able to set any significant goals nor pursue them at large scale unless it's for profit and likely at the cost of the rest of the world.

You're free to consume whatever you want.

EDIT: my opening sentence is not fair. But it invited a lot of response. That can walk a thin line but in this case I figure it worked out. If my post were purely inflammatory, then it would be counter-productive but I don't see it that way.

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