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Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#51

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> Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. It offsets the "Everything apple does is good because it’s for the betterment of humanity"-posts.

Surely you don't think those two types of posts come anywhere near parity, numerically?

No, I see more "Apple is god" posts. But I give it a high chance that you remember more of whichever of them annoys you more though.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#52

Wait, people still sync their phones? I thought that went away about 5 years ago... At least that’s the last time I or any of the people I ‘friend support’ for did so...

Yup. Syncing is cheaper, faster, easier to access and more in your control than iCloud is (or can hope to be).

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#53

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But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? You wouldn't reboot during a disk format for example, or other critical task. That said, the idea that your phone is now a "critical task" is none too heartening.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

It's also your "fucking" phone.

You own your car but you don't demand the right to turn it off any time you want, nor to drive any way you want. You don't do it because you know there are consequences if you do. If you're happy with bad things happening "because I have the right to do it", then well... by all means proceed.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#54
How about just holding the power button on the Mac down for several seconds if shutting down from menu options is not working? The user doesn’t seem to mind losing data on the phone by interrupting a sync operation in some unknown state or doesn’t seem to mind losing any data on the Mac by a forced shutdown either.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#55

Remarkable how cheap the comments on stories like this tend to be. The regurgitated "Apple is bad, mmmkay" low effort posts. To be clear, guy started a sync with his phone (people still do this?). In the middle of a sync he decides he wants to restart his computer, which tells him, reasonably, to wait until its done. If you were running a long-running terminal script, in the middle of a backup or large file move, or…

A sync should be an atomic operation. Or at the very least, reversible if it gets interrupted. In that case, a reboot should be able to happen at any time.

more than that. a sync should be interruptible and resumable.

rsync does that.

so does syncthing which i use to keep my phones data synced to my computer. it runs all the time and syncs when i am on wifi (even when i am not anywhere near the computer) it pauses when i get off wifi or the two machines can't connect for other reasons, and resumes when the connection is back.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if the phone is syncing do you really want to do that? It's my fucking computer. If I want it to reboot, it should fucking reboot. If I want it to shut down, it should fucking shut down. I don't intend to be hostile towards you. I'm just sick of losing more and more control over my own devices which I purchased with my own money.

It's also your "fucking" phone. You own your car but you don't demand the right to turn it off any time you want, nor to drive any way you want. You don't do it because you know there are consequences if you do. If you're happy with bad things happening "because I have the right to do it", then well... by all means proceed.

I rarely want to, but in fact I can turn off my car at any time, and have, and it would be an intolerable problem to discover some day that I was not in control of my car.

You have presented no argument.

It's bad enough that it's impossible for anything to be perfect, and so even when you do your honest best, I will not be in control of my car once in a while because something simply broke. (I pressed the brake, the car didn't stop)

But there is no excuse for artificially injecting avoidable breakage by having things decide not to work, on top of the unavoidable honest breakage.

It is ultimately, and fundamentally, wrong to try to predict all valid actions ahead of time and provide some sort of managed answer for all the actions you though of and decided are the universe of valid actions.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

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Wait, are you saying you don’t want this??

He is probably asking for the sync to be interruptible, and automatically restarted later. Which is completely reasonable.

Yes indeed, the humor in my comment didn't land. The device coupling is out of hand, like when your phone rings and the watch, computer, fridge an vacuum also buzz.

Re: Remember when you could reboot your computer without rebooting your phone first?

#59
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I have rebooted my (windows) PC every day for the last year. I only reboot my phone when it has a system update. Sounds like just another problem with the Big Sur update for MacOS.

I have not rebooted my Mac since COVID started fwiw.

I reboot my (primary) PC daily because my company's security policy requires a daily reboot.

My personal/gaming PC only gets rebooted when Windows mandates a reboot.

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