Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference • Hacker News Board

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by agilob » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:12 PM UTC

curiousllama wrote: post #26

0dmethz wrote: post #19

Of course they respond with the obligatory "we'll report this to the authorities", rather than "thank you for pointing this out in a harmless way we'll do better".

It was humor... The "threatener" was laughing, the audience was laughing, and the journalist laughed too. Probably the best response you can hope for in the moment.

Hmmmm

>The meeting was ended due to the breach, while a Foreign Affairs Council spokesman told RTL: "Such a breach is illegal and will be reported to the authorities."

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by Moodles » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:15 PM UTC

rscho wrote: post #41

Moodles wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of Zoom’s security team is based in the US to be fair. I don’t really agree in general that the X-conference should use X-software.

Well, if you are using foreign software for sensitive stuff, then you should at least be able to fully review the source and build the app yourself. > All of Zoom’s security team is based in the US That's the point. Thinking that the US are truthful and honest allies of the EU is plain laughable.

They’re also all using Apple products, for example.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by rscho » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

Moodles wrote: post #52

rscho wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if you are using foreign software for sensitive stuff, then you should at least be able to fully review the source and build the app yourself. > All of Zoom’s security team is based in the US That's the point. Thinking that the US are truthful and honest allies of the EU is plain laughable.

They’re also all using Apple products, for example.

Yes, much to the EU population's dismay.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by programLyrique » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:18 PM UTC

fakedang wrote: post #47

rebuilder wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is on BBC.com's frontpage.

Yeah, and how many mainlander Europeans read the BBC in English?

Other journalists in mainland Europe.

And then they publish articles in the native language of their country.

In France: https://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/un-journaliste-s-introdui... In Belgium: https://www.rtbf.be/info/medias/detail_un-journaliste-neerla...

And so on...

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by ben_w » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

john_minsk wrote: post #35

andrepd wrote: post #31

This is profoundly depressing. The fact that an EU defence conference is being held... on Zoom, is truly a microcosm of what has been the strategic policy of the EU for the past 20-30 years. We have sold off our independence, out advantages economic and otherwise, for pennies . For minuscule short-term gains, we have sold off our industry, our tech, to a hostile and totalitarian government. Well when I say "we" I mea…

It is not that simple. The minute China does it - they stand alone. The whole premise of outsourcing manufacturing to China will die. No one will trust them to do it. In my opinion they won’t do it

With ~20% of the world’s population, more than the entire combined population of the G7, they might be able to stand alone.

They may not explicitly desire standing alone, but I wouldn’t bet against them deciding that’s the better option, nor would I bet against them using or threatening to use their manufacturing capability to put pressure on certain policy objectives. It’s not like other countries don’t use economic impact as a carrot/stick to achieve policy objectives.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by cptnapalm » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:30 PM UTC

vagrantJin wrote: post #49

fakedang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EU militaries are a joke tbf. Apart from France and (formerly) the UK, most of them can't do shit except sell firearms to Arab despots. I think someone from Romania here mentioned that they trust the US to protect them more than they trust France or Germany.

As a bloc, I don't think EU had much of a choice. US had them on tight leash until DJT came through and force thenm to consider protecting themselves. To think DJT has woken up the EU from their decades long slumber is incredible.

There was chatter about this back in the mid-2000s about the EU forming their own independent foreign policy. There was lots of ink spilled about the EU's soft power which evaporated as it turns out soft power doesn't exist without hard power. Obama lamented the "free rider" problem where much of the EU wouldn't live up to their treaty obligations. The EU wasn't on a leash; it just didn't bother.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by hawk_ » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:35 PM UTC

tdons wrote: post #45

What's more depressing is that this official has GMail open. How ridiculous is that? Which defense minister outside of the USA uses Google Mail? After Snowden, really? I want to facepalm so hard right now.

Unfortunately the bureaucrats still go through dated curriculum to get where they are and there no incentives to keep up with the times, technology or otherwise. These same people decide on the criteria for the incoming class and the vicious cycle goes on.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by vagrantJin » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:44 PM UTC

cptnapalm wrote: post #56

vagrantJin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a bloc, I don't think EU had much of a choice. US had them on tight leash until DJT came through and force thenm to consider protecting themselves. To think DJT has woken up the EU from their decades long slumber is incredible.

There was chatter about this back in the mid-2000s about the EU forming their own independent foreign policy. There was lots of ink spilled about the EU's soft power which evaporated as it turns out soft power doesn't exist without hard power. Obama lamented the "free rider" problem where much of the EU wouldn't live up to their treaty obligations. The EU wasn't on a leash; it just didn't bother.

By a leash I mean being a freeloader at your friends house with his wife and kids. He says its ok because he has known you since you were toddlers. That's the leash.

The EU didnt bother on account of the US taxpayer footing the bill regardless thus removing their freedom of action and their seat on the table. They've gotten so feeble, no one even cares.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by bserge » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

ben_w wrote: post #55

john_minsk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not that simple. The minute China does it - they stand alone. The whole premise of outsourcing manufacturing to China will die. No one will trust them to do it. In my opinion they won’t do it

With ~20% of the world’s population, more than the entire combined population of the G7, they might be able to stand alone. They may not explicitly desire standing alone, but I wouldn’t bet against them deciding that’s the better option, nor would I bet against them using or threatening to use their manufacturing capability to put pressure on certain policy objectives. It’s not like other countries don’t use economic…

Imo, it's because they have such a huge population that they can't stand alone. They simply don't have enough resources. And unlike the US, they're surrounded by current and potential enemies.

Re: Dutch journalist gatecrashes EU defence video conference

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Post by bserge » Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 5:52 PM UTC

tdons wrote: post #45

What's more depressing is that this official has GMail open. How ridiculous is that? Which defense minister outside of the USA uses Google Mail? After Snowden, really? I want to facepalm so hard right now.

And these are the people pushing for laws around encryption. They have no idea what they're doing. In fact, that's really odd - you'd think that by now, tech-competent people would be in positions of power. Why aren't they?