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Re: 1MB Club

#51

Post by baxtr »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

Well I agree and disagree :) as always it depends. I think it’s clear that especially on slow mobile connections people will close a site quickly if they don’t see results and this in turn yields lower sales for example. Also, Google will factor Speed into its algorithm. So you will lose traffic if you don’t optimize. At the same time, people at home with broadband wouldn’t care less.

That’s actually a core reason for slow pages. People in offices with large monitors and huge bandwidth develop those sites

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#52

Post by johnghanks »

> These things are a cancerous growth on the web.

lmfao a little dramatic. JS heavy sites _can_ be great experiences if they are developed properly just like <1MB sites can be garbage if they are poorly developed.

Re: 1MB Club

#54

Post by Shared404 »

gen220 wrote: post #33
stonogo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it https://wiby.me ? If not, I'd love to know more!

The surprise me feature has yielded some really good links! "Doom as a tool for system administration" [1], "What can you do with a slide rule?" [2], and of course some vintage 90s personal pages... some of which have been actively maintained to this day (!) [3] edit: that last page has some incredibly-detailed information about the various cars he's owned [4] [1]: https://www.cs.unm.edu/~dlchao/flake/doom/ [2]: http…

[1] Is actually a really cool idea. I thought it would just be a joke, but the article makes a good case for it, at least as a POC for a UI.

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#55

Post by _benj »

> These things are a cancerous growth on the web.

I'm a huge fan of minimalism using gopher:// frequently.

But blanket statements like this seems seems a little too much.

I'm personally aware of some educational tools that non-techy educator are able to use with just a user name and password. A few years ago in order to deliver tools like that the process was a physical CD, some key, some installation wizard... and if you had Mac? tough luck.

Let's be conscious about bandwidth usage and bloat, but we are no longer in the 90's and, even if imperfect, progress has happened in tech

Re: 1MB Club

#56

Post by harikb »

Two suggestions

1. Weight sites by some popularity count. Otherwise does anyone care if some random small site generates a 0.1k response just to get to the top

2. Do you plan continuously verify the download size is still accurate.

Re: 1MB Club

#57

Post by discreteevent »

CogentHedgehog wrote: post #48

In some ways it's interesting to think that a modern website is larger than most operating systems used to be. I can understand why (frameworks, rich assets, etc) but it puts us in an interesting place. I wonder what the web will look like in 2030?

Indeed, I remember running QNX from a floppy disk (1.44MB) complete with windowing system and utilities.

Re: 1MB Club

#58

Post by aresant »

From a "Why, who cares" perspective website (and app) speed are highly correlated with conversion and engagement.

Google's headline research on the subject says "Improving your load time by 0.1s can boost conversion rates by 8%."

Some add'l data, sourced by Neilsen Group below:

- Google found that increasing the load time of its SERPs by half a second resulted in a 20% higher bounce rate.

- Google found 53% of mobile visits ended if a page took longer than 3 seconds to load.

- Akamai aggregated data from 17 retailers (7 billion pageviews) and found that conversion rates were highest for pages that loaded in less than 2 seconds; longer load times correlated with 50% drops in conversion rates and increased bounce rates, especially for mobile visitors.

- BBC found that for every extra second of page load time, 10% of users will leave.

Want to sell / fix this?

Here's the best three simple resource illustrating objective third party results from increasing site speed:

- https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/page-load-time-conversion...

- https://wpostats.com/

- https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/performance/more/website...

Here is a more compelling deeper look from a leader in the UX space:

- https://www.nngroup.com/articles/the-need-for-speed/

Here's a really well written article about how to PROVE to the powers that be that site speed is worth testing:

https://web.dev/site-speed-and-business-metrics/

Re: 1MB Club

#59

Post by stickfigure »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

I hear my users constantly yelling for more features. Not one has complained about the page load (5mb uncompressed, plus a delay for auth to initialize).

I'll keep listening to my users.

Re: 1MB Club

#60

Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

1MB.

When I started writing Web sites (late '90s), we'd get spanked for 50K pages.

I'm not sure it's possible, anymore, with a lot of the CSS and JS libraries; let alone the content.

But back then, we didn't have content delivery networks. CDNs make a huge difference.

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