I am confused about one thing, in multithreaded scenarios, can an application use 8 threads or 4? Also how does the scheduling work, can I pin a task that I know will be demanding on the firestorm cores?
2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#52Am I reading this right? Is the new mac mini competing with a Ryzen 5950X? The whole mac mini costs the price of that processor alone. This is insane.
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Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#53That WebKit compile time is impressive. https://techcrunch.com/2020/11/17/yeah-apples-m1-macbook-pro...
Wow, the M1 MBP is on par with the 12-core Mac Pro from 2019 for the WebKit compilation. And even more impressive: "After a single build of WebKit, the M1 MacBook Pro had a massive 91% of its battery left. I tried multiple tests here and I could have easily run a full build of WebKit 8-9 times on one charge of the M1 MacBook’s battery. In comparison, I could have gotten through about 3 on the 16” and the 13” 2020 model only had one go in it."
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#54From the article's conclusion... "The M1 undisputedly outperforms the core performance of everything Intel has to offer, and battles it with AMD’s new Zen3, winning some, losing some. And in the mobile space in particular, there doesn’t seem to be an equivalent in either ST or MT performance – at least within the same power budgets." This is the first in-depth review validating all the hype. Assuming the user experie…
That conclusion is quite misleading, in my opinion.
They write "outperforms the core performance" and the keyword here is "core". What they mean is that if one had a single-core Zen3 and a single-core M1, then the M1 would win some and lose some.
But in the real world, most Zen3 CPUs will have 2x or more cores, thus they'll be 2x to 4x faster.
So what they mean to say is that they praise Apple for having amazing per-core performance. But it kind of sounds as if the M1 had competitive performance overall, which is incorrect.
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#55Am I reading this right? Is the new mac mini competing with a Ryzen 5950X? The whole mac mini costs the price of that processor alone. This is insane.
Only in single threaded performance, which nobody actually uses for rendering. In multi-threaded, the Ryzen 5950X is at 28,641 while M1 is at 7,833. So no, the Mac Mini is maxing out at 27% of the Ryzen 5950X if you use it properly. And I was already friendly and used the M1 number for a native port, while in reality you'll likely need Rosetta and take a 33% performance hit.
I think the overall point is that for the average user, who doesn't need all those cores or could make good use of them, the M1 may in fact feel / be faster.
For users like you or I, of course we'd see a huge difference, but not everyone is running workloads that need more than 2 or 4 cores.
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#56Am I reading this right? Is the new mac mini competing with a Ryzen 5950X? The whole mac mini costs the price of that processor alone. This is insane.
Only in single threaded performance, which nobody actually uses for rendering. In multi-threaded, the Ryzen 5950X is at 28,641 while M1 is at 7,833. So no, the Mac Mini is maxing out at 27% of the Ryzen 5950X if you use it properly. And I was already friendly and used the M1 number for a native port, while in reality you'll likely need Rosetta and take a 33% performance hit.
Depends on what you're doing. For example, compiling is multi-core, but linking is normally single-core. Many workloads are still heavily single-core-dependent, so great single-core performance is still a big asset.
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't find that quote or even the words "undisputedly" or "Zen3" in the article. Was it changed or, if it wasn't, can you give me a pointer, please?
It's insane how bad the website's UX is for first time visitors not seeing there's more content behind the first page.
Wow, indeed! I thought the conclusion part in the article was weird. Now I see why - I was at the end of the first page!
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#58I'm not surprised it's doing well. Apple has deeper pockets than anyone else on the planet, and they have considerable experience doing this kind of thing –literally, decades . Say what you will about Apple; this is a strong point for them. But I'm still waiting for the M2 before I upgrade. I'm also interested in new form factors. Right now, they are still relying on the currently-tooled production line for their she…
I'd say Intel has the deepest pockets regarding CPU R&D, and yet they are being overtaken left and right.
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#59Interesting that it is not able to outperform the Zen3 CPUs. I had expected it to do somewhat better, especially it being a 5nm processor, and with all the hype around ARM processors. I don't know how well it will hold up to its x86 competitors like this, especially once they launch their 5nm CPUs next year.
In multi-threaded mode - which is what Zen3 are optimized for - the M1 barely reaches 30% of the Zen's performance. I mean that's kind of expected if you compare a low-power CPU with fewer cores against an unlimited-cooling desktop monster with much more cores. The M1 will likely be an amazing laptop chip, but still unusable for demanding desktop work, e.g. CGI.
I've posted this elsewhere in this thread, but the M1 on SPEC reaches Desktop-tier performance, going toe to toe with the 5950X: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste...
Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test
#60I'm a bit surprised by their tagline "Integrated King, Discrete Rival". I'm using an Acer Aspire V15 Nitro Black 15" from 2016. On Aztec Ruins Normal Offscreen, I get 270fps. So my 4 year old $800 laptop is still faster than the brand new M1. It seems Anandtech chose a very Apple-friendly set of laptops to compare to.
So a 60W TDP dGPU (gtx 960M) is ~35% faster than this iGPU?
I think this is what they called a Rival.