Nice...I bet the evil RIAA didn't think only about the two tests when they reported the project....
Actually that's all they complained about.
IIRC the complaint was about the "circumvention" algorithm in the code.
YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
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Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.
In their self view they ensure that artists earn money for their living, thus allow artists to survive. And there is some truth to it. Finding the right balance is hard ... but in my view they "rights holder industry" is too strong indeed.
I'd agree. If copyright wasn't valid after death + 70 years
Of course they don't do only that, they also have to spend their time crafting abusive contracts and extensions in detriment of artists and in favour of big recording companies.
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.
I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.
This line of questioning on Startup News is quite amusing to me, I must say. How many of us can really pretend to make society a better place?
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#54Excellent. Looks like they've removed the tests for RIAA member videos as the only change, which I assume helped get this restored: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/1fb034d029c8b7...
And not even purged from the repo, it's still in the history if needed. Seems like the copyright holders making a big fuss over nothing really.
They don't understand technology, and in this case I don't think they should be told...
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone thinks they're saving the world. I'm sure the RIAA sleeps soundly knowing they're defending the rights of creative individuals to make a living and holding the line against the scourge of amoral nihilistic pirates.
I'm much more cynical. They know they're bastards but they make far far too much money to care.
Everyone is the hero in their own story. Few people actually gleefully play the scoundrel. The ability humans have to self-rationalize is amazing. And even when folks are doing something they know is wrong, often it gets justified in the balance: the victim deserved it, the perpetrator is Robin Hood and proceeds will benefit those who need it more, the action makes up for a historic injustice, etc ...
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#56The amount of publicity this generated for youtube-dl is astounding... I would love for this to be a ”the plan to get rid of youtube-dl backfired badly for RIAA” ending. But I guess RIAA is reviled enough already so nothing they do really matters. So I suppose the hope is that some political will to change the laws around this arises from it.
Honestly, this is what caused me to install it. Have downloaded one video so far - a U.S. government work, so no copyright.
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#57The amount of publicity this generated for youtube-dl is astounding... I would love for this to be a ”the plan to get rid of youtube-dl backfired badly for RIAA” ending. But I guess RIAA is reviled enough already so nothing they do really matters. So I suppose the hope is that some political will to change the laws around this arises from it.
> So I suppose the hope is that some political will to change the laws around this arises from it. We had mass demonstrations across Europe with the Article 13 fiasco and nothing happened. Revolutions aside, copyright will never be reformed anywhere in a consumer friendly manner - politicians are way too deep in the pockets of the industry.
All the parties that were pro reform in the "article 13 fiasco" will still get votes. Unless people grow a brain and start remembering things, they will just get away with anything unless it happens right before an election. Alas, we evolved from monkeys, not from elephants.
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if RIAA lawyers believe themselves productive members of society, or if they recognize themselves as the parasites they are.
They see themselves as the last bastion of decency in a world full of violation.
This is neither here nor there but Nobel Prize winner Gerard 't Hooft has written an opinion piece on wrong-way drivers in science who seem convinced that everyone else is going the wrong way [1] (it's in Dutch unfortunately, but then the Dutch the word 'spookrider' (lit. 'ghostrider') is a lot cooler than 'wrong-way driver' IMHO).
It's a concept that's somehow always stuck with me whenever I hear about people who seem convinced everyone else is wrong.
[1]: https://webspace.science.uu.nl/~hooft101/spookrijders.html
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#59From the irc screenshot that was linked further down this thread [1], it reads that the "cipher circumvention code" needed to be removed? I can only see some rework being done in the past related to the extractors. [2]
So they gave up on this one, or is there more to come?
[1]: https://twitter.com/t3rr4dice/status/1320660235363749888
[2]: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl/commit/2de2ca6659a18b...
Re: YouTube-dl's repository has been restored
#60GitHub is still hosting the full youtube-dl version history, including versions which include those supposedly infringing tests. Does copyright law end with HEAD on master? Those tests are still there. This makes it especially obvious that the RIAA's problem with youtube-dl was never really the tests.
> Does copyright law end with HEAD on master?
I think the RIAAs technical know-how ends with the github web interface, so in a way, yes, copyright effectively ends with HEAD.