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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by klipt »

seltzered_ wrote: post #30

"If selected, applicants are required to strictly stay in the Tulsa city limits." Once you factor in relocation costs, the fact that urban apartments in major cities are offering revised rates & X months free, and that you're still in a city (free coworking doesn't make sense if you're concerned about the pandemic), it's moot. Thinking wildly aloud, maybe one idea is to have collective bargaining rather than money. S…

What are the effects of transferring sovereignty? Does it mean US citizens or green card holders who aren't Cherokee can't live there?

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

> In addition to the $10,000 grant, participants will receive a year membership at a local co-working space, support in identifying housing, and regular community-building opportunities.

The $10K is basically "moving expenses". The program's other factors represent a serious effort to address the non-economic concerns with such a large decision.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by pqoek »

redslazer wrote: post #49
paxys wrote: post #43

I understand people who have roots in the bay area and aren't in the position to leave (or just don't want to). I also understand people who, under the current circumstances, want to temporarily or permanently move to a location that will work out better for them. I don't understand, though, how $10K can be the deciding factor for someone for such a major decision.

If you are trying to bootstrap something, 10K (and a free co-working space) in a city where a two bedroom apartment costs $800 rather than $4000 is pretty sweet depending on your life situation.

this, with everything remote, if you're dedicated and are on a budget this is an amazing offer to bootstrap your thing.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by pqoek »

throwawaygh wrote: post #3
meekrohprocess wrote: post #2

Hehehe, Tulsa Oklahoma. I wonder how many of them visited before applying. I don't mean to knock the city, but it is a very different place, and SF residents might chafe at the lack of interesting nature in the surrounding area. Probably the closest large park-ish area would be the Ozarks over in Arkansas. It's a lovely forest, but still about a 2.5-hour drive away. And OK's state highways are absolutely littered wit…

These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

> non-Catholic private schools

what's wrong with public schools?

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by jcranmer »

klipt wrote: post #51
seltzered_ wrote: post #30

"If selected, applicants are required to strictly stay in the Tulsa city limits." Once you factor in relocation costs, the fact that urban apartments in major cities are offering revised rates & X months free, and that you're still in a city (free coworking doesn't make sense if you're concerned about the pandemic), it's moot. Thinking wildly aloud, maybe one idea is to have collective bargaining rather than money. S…

What are the effects of transferring sovereignty? Does it mean US citizens or green card holders who aren't Cherokee can't live there?

Broadly speaking, it would mean that you are subject to tribal laws instead of state laws. Exact details vary greatly based on what the treaty the US wrote with the exact tribe in question, and to what degree Congress has explicitly expressed its intent to ignore said treaty.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by blhack »

chokeartist wrote: post #37
blhack wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "new silicon valley" is already Phoenix, AZ.

Based on what? Not disputing you, legitimately curious. I am considering moving to Phoenix. Thanks!

The semiconductor industry has an huge presence here. Here's a new (major) fab going in:

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2020/10/20/semicond...

Intel also has fabs here. Semiconductor manufacturing is a major industry in Phoenix.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by pqoek »

wrsh07 wrote: post #13
xivzgrev wrote: post #6

Sure. If I rented, my job was secure, and all of my friends are packing, of course I would take a free $10k to move somewhere else for a year. The pandemic is probably going to take at least that long to wind out. I can always just move back if SF picks up again.

I would love for Tulsa to succeed at creating a "new silicon valley" It could be great for the area, great for the people who are early movers, etc I don't think it will be, but I think ideas like this are good experiments. You need a certain amount of gravity before you have a good tech scene, and I am interested in knowing "what does that gravity look like? How can such friction to becoming a tech hub be erased?" H…

I feel like there are chances that the next big startup scene ends up not being in the US, but in Berlin or ChiangMai

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by jcranmer »

pqoek wrote: post #54
throwawaygh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

> non-Catholic private schools what's wrong with public schools?

In the case of Oklahoma, the phrase immediately following what you quoted:

> couldn't even keep all of its public schools open 5 days a week in pre-pandemic times

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by HarryHirsch »

pqoek wrote: post #54
throwawaygh wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These programs existed for decades before the pandemic. They never caught on for a very simple reason: CoL is literally the only advantage. $10K is nothing compared to the uphill climb of career progression that inevitably comes with remote work. Hell, $10K literally less than my first relocation package and I was moving a single bedroom. TL;DR: no one moves to SFBA because it's the best CoL vs salary choice, and the…

> non-Catholic private schools what's wrong with public schools?

The persistent underfunding. Everyone who can afford to send their children to private school will do so because OK public schools are plain awful. Of course it's impossible to raise taxes to attract any sort of decent teacher or buy equipment or even paint because it's Oklahoma, no one is using public school anyway, so why fund it.

But what's wrong with Catholic school? They have a tradition of being quite secular and open to different worldviews.

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