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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by threeseed »

teruakohatu wrote: post #46
threeseed wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Veen »

teruakohatu wrote: post #46
threeseed wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iOS developers have made over a half a trillion dollars over the last decade on this unsustainable, constantly shifting foundation that they hate so much. Makes you wonder why they bother ? Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Power users who want to run a Linux environment on their phone are a minute fraction of the iOS user base. I don’t think Apple is interested in serving every possible user, and they’re probably quite content to let people who need this type of feature find it on a different platform.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by saagarjha »

dylan604 wrote: post #35

"we received a call from Apple" is this a literal statement where some human from Apple called on the telephone to speak to someone about this situation, or is this a phrase that actually means they received an email notification about the situation? I ask because it seems well outside the norm of no-human contact regarding support from FAANG companies.

Yeah, they actually call you. It's a bit annoying, actually, since they call you at a random time and also they basically read off a script, so they might as well email you.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Shank wrote: post #21
reikonomusha wrote: post #16

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This is not really an example of that effect. This is just the nature of news. The app won’t somehow become any more used after it’s removed because it’ll be, well, removed.

> The app won’t somehow become any more used after it’s removed because it’ll be, well, removed. On the contrary: it can be distributed through TestFlight, and potentially even available in AltStore. If added to AltStore, it would make that platform much more well known. In addition, if users install it from the App Store right now, it's signed and won't disappear or expire after any period of time. AltStore, TestFli…

> it can be distributed through TestFlight

Not for long. There was a post, a couple months ago, by a developer that was screaming about having his developer account permanently banned, because he was using TestFlight as his distribution system.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by RHSeeger »

threeseed wrote: post #51
teruakohatu wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

That is disingenuous, at best. Apple takes a large percentage on purchases through the phone, so Amazon doesn't allow the purchase through it. It's not an arbitrary decision on their end.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

burrows wrote: post #39
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

Nah. If the current crop of developers leaves the platform then another crop will take their place.

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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by my123 »

threeseed wrote: post #51
teruakohatu wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Maybe it's because the very rules you say developers hate are the ones users find appealing. Users may not know or care, but it is a stretch to say it is appealing to power users that they cannot run ish. It is not appealing to regular users that they can't buy books from within the Kindle app. Etc. Etc.

Amazon chose not to allow users to buy books from the app. Apple is not stopping them.

In quite some countries, book pricing is fixed by the publisher and cannot vary between websites according to the law. If AAPL takes a 30% margin, the whole model cannot work and you are much better off not selling anything.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by cblconfederate »

smnrchrds wrote: post #47
burrows wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. If the current crop of developers leaves the platform then another crop will take their place.

You are being downvoted, but the entire video game industry is the living proof that you can mistreat your developers and use a high churn rate to make sure you never run out of them.

Those are not third party devs, no?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by nbzso »

heavyset_go wrote: post #22

Anti-trust action against Apple and Google for holding the mobile app distribution market hostage for more than a decade cannot come fast enough.

It's long overdue. Mac OS is next inline. Apple is innovator but in completely different space. In locking in users by using mix of influencers, expert talk and compelling hardware design. It pains me deeply and the only reasonable explanation that I find for my self for falling in this trap is that this was deeply hidden under Jobs management. Now it s clear as day. Worst part: their target demographics is clueless and ready to give trust. Mobile computing will be under strict control and restricted until we have a linux based revolution in this space. On other hand I find it very healthy for my self using mobile devices only in cases when I cannot use a real computer.:)
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