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The accidental genius of Yo

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Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by SamReidHughes »

admax88q wrote: post #43
capableweb wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time is absolutely part of the transmission. It matters when you say "Hi" to someone. Differently timed "Hi"'s can say different things. Even if you repeat "Hi" many times, it's still just "Hi" but the amount of them also matters and becomes part of the transmission when looking at all of them together. I feel like many, especially developers, fail to see what is in between the data to matter as well as the data itse…

If we're in different locations and we run a wire between us, and I send a single pulse down the wire. That's one bit of information. You as the receiver derive the other relevant information from that. A timestamp was not encoded and transmitted, a single bit (pulse) was transmitted from me to you. That's the thesis of the article I believe. That single bit can "carry" a lot of additional information due to the cont…

That’s not one bit of information. If there is only one possible message you can send, there’s zero bits in the message itself. One bit would be if you had two messages to choose from. All the information in Yo is in the timing.

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by dagurp »

jay_wild wrote: post #41

There's got to be a similar market for "push notification as a service". I wouldn't mind giving a company $20 for credits for 500 push notifications. I hit their API, they push to my phone with whatever text I give them.

I think pushover is what you're looking for

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by 1123581321 »

jasonv wrote: post #3

My shortcut to text my partner is called “Yo” and sends a “Yo”. Use it all the time. She knows when I’m leaving a store, or swinging by the house to pick her up, or when we’re in a store and ready to meet at the checkout lanes. I think frequently that the app could’ve survived and have been useful. The iterations they went through took it in less useful directions, but the idea itself didn’t need to die. Feels like a…

Hah! I am basically like that with mine, but with “;)”. It goes through successive waves of being funny, useful and tiresome, which in itself is funny to me.

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by stevenhuang »

capableweb wrote: post #40
hk__2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The article repeatedly makes the mistaken assertion that sending a 'Yo' constitutes 1 bit of information transmitted. This is mistaken as the information also holds temporal information, which is actually what is very useful. t's not a Yo at some random point, it's a Yo now. It's really encoding "now!". Still not very much information but a ton more than 1 bit. It’s still one bit. The time is not part of the transm…

Time is absolutely part of the transmission. It matters when you say "Hi" to someone. Differently timed "Hi"'s can say different things. Even if you repeat "Hi" many times, it's still just "Hi" but the amount of them also matters and becomes part of the transmission when looking at all of them together. I feel like many, especially developers, fail to see what is in between the data to matter as well as the data itse…

More accurate to say time can be derived from the transmission. It's still not a part of it.

Your latter contribution misses the mark by failing to consider that you all might just be talking past each other, arguing over semantics. That's the most common hole to fall into.

It's a 1 bit transmission with the ever-present time side-channel.

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by mhh__ »

andruby wrote: post #18
jasonv wrote: post #3

My shortcut to text my partner is called “Yo” and sends a “Yo”. Use it all the time. She knows when I’m leaving a store, or swinging by the house to pick her up, or when we’re in a store and ready to meet at the checkout lanes. I think frequently that the app could’ve survived and have been useful. The iterations they went through took it in less useful directions, but the idea itself didn’t need to die. Feels like a…

But how could they’ve monetized? Would you still use it with ads inserted?

When you say monetized do you mean buy a car or buy an island type money.

You could definitely market it well enough to sell some merchandise or similar, it's just not going to make you a billionaire.

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by hk__2 »

SamReidHughes wrote: post #51
admax88q wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're in different locations and we run a wire between us, and I send a single pulse down the wire. That's one bit of information. You as the receiver derive the other relevant information from that. A timestamp was not encoded and transmitted, a single bit (pulse) was transmitted from me to you. That's the thesis of the article I believe. That single bit can "carry" a lot of additional information due to the cont…

That’s not one bit of information. If there is only one possible message you can send, there’s zero bits in the message itself. One bit would be if you had two messages to choose from. All the information in Yo is in the timing.

Timing is the context, not the information actually transmitted.

Re: The accidental genius of Yo

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Post by scott_w »

pcardoso wrote: post #16

Years ago calling and immediately hanging up was immensely popular among teenagers/young adults as a way to ping someone. Used as a way of flirting, telling something was ready, arrived at home.

I remember this! We used to call it “giving a dodgy” as in “dodgy (prank) phone call”! It’s hilarious thinking back to the sentence “dodgy is when ye get in and al come roond” 20 years later!
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