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Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by beagle3 »

jacquesm wrote: post #33
beagle3 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple, Samsung and others have eliminated the audio jack (for different reasons) and there was a lot of outrage but the bottom line is: acceptable Bluetooth headphones can be bought for about $10-$25 now, and are widely available. Between Bluetooth headphones, HDMI out to the screen, HDMI audio splitters and $5 USB audio dongles, it really is a fine design choice - especially given that the RasPI’s analog audio out c…

Bluetooth introduces (even more...) latency, which isn't always acceptable.

This is not a gamer machine at $70.

Yes, Bluetooth introduces a tiny bit of audio latency, which is perfectly acceptable for 98% of all use, and 99.9% of RasPI 400 uses. For the rest of the cases, use one of the other RasPI400 options, a RasPi 4 or a Razer laptop.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by black_puppydog »

kzrdude wrote: post #47

I'm a bit surprised that the raspi foundation made this - I would think this is the realm of build-it-yourself! Of course building it yourself is going to be more expensive than mass produced (and need very messy wiring), but you could at least get a nicer keyboard that way.

It still exposes the gpio pins. So if you want to build something with a pi (as opposed to for the pi) then this is actually quite nice.

I for one ordered one (and am playing with it right now) because it's an incredibly low barrier way to dogfood some software projects on arm. I'm loving it, it's very different to an arm laptop, it's got more of a console feeling which is great :)

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by m-p-3 »

morsch wrote: post #46
gambiting wrote: post #31

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Oh. Either that post was edited or I misunderstood - I thought they were talking about an HDMI dongle with 3.5mm audio jack for audio extracted from the hdmi. But yes, indeed, a USB audio dongle should "just work".

I don't think HDMI audio extractors need a driver, either. The first one I could find claims compatibility with all kinds of source devices. It's probably entirely invisible to the source. I don't how know about HDMI DRM, but that's not a problem for the RPi.

I use one to hook up my PS4 to my DVI-D KVM (my current monitor only does DVI-D and VGA), works fine and it's entirely invisible to the game console.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by m-p-3 »

iso947 wrote: post #20
tyingq wrote: post #9

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You would also want a dongle that has a driver already bundled with the OS. Not sure if that's typical or not. Probably unlikely that the dongle itself comes with a suitable ARM/Linux driver.

Hardware in linux tends to just work

Thanks to all the contributors out there <3

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by kzrdude »

techplex wrote: post #45
DebtDeflation wrote: post #23

I wish the keyboard had a touchpad built in to eliminate the need for a separate mouse.

I don't blame them, Linux touchpad drivers are horrendously bad. I can imagine a young person tryin to learn to use the pi400 and them getting frustrated because the touchpad is hard to use. I wonder if there are any studies that show a mouse is easier to learn than a touchpad or vise versa.

I think the multitouch drivers have been really good. Been using it with a MBP 2015 touchpad, and I think that shows how good hardware helps the equation.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by kllrnohj »

jl2718 wrote: post #48

Is this thing suitable for kids and grandparents? Every other platform seems to abuse them with bloatware.

Not at all. Chrome OS would be a better fit there.

Unless you're teaching your kids & grandparents how to sysadmin linux and don't think they want to watch any videos online (browser support for accelerated video decoding remains a giant disaster on linux), then sure? And also that they want a desktop instead of a laptop.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by moralsupply »

graycrow wrote: post #42

I don't mind to pay extra $30 if next version of the PC will have a M2 port, even USB routed, full-size HDMI, and combined audio/composite video port, same as on RPi A/B boards. Separate DAC could make nice addition. Hope that Raspberry Pi Foundation will listen to people's needs.

That and 8GB RAM, plus NVMe or PCI Express with some internal space for a hard drive.

Also, make the case easy to open with screws...

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by fludlight »

tyingq wrote: post #2

"The 400 doesn’t have an audio-out." That does seem like a miss for an otherwise decent platform. HDMI out support is fine, but since this setup is quite portable, exposing a headphone jack seems obvious. I suppose bluetooth is the expectation now?

Many (most?) HDMI monitors have an audio-out jack.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 – First Impressions

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Post by stjohnswarts »

tsjq wrote: post #50
exged wrote: post #32

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There aren't any free PCIe lanes on the SoC, so even if they added a bridge chip for a SATA / M.2 SSD it would have to be connected over USB. Besides, the device is $70. A $10 32GB eMMC chip would be a far more reasonable ask at this price point if greater reliability is desired.

that's interesting. curios: are these two comparable in terms of speeds: eMMC and NVME/M2SSD ? or am I confusing among oranges and apples?

They are in completely different ball parks. M.2 drives can easily saturate a usb3.0 link, emmc not so much.
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