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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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This didn't backfire for the RIAA, it backfired for GitHub , who are absolutely not the bad guys in this. They have expressed more support for the project than they would have needed to and are bound to laws.

In the short-term, no. In the long-term - should companies like Microsoft get sick of their crap, all of the RIAAs power is based in regulatory capture. We can (and should) change the copyright laws that enable them to sue someone over a creative work that quite frankly they shouldn't get a single piece of after an extremely short period of time. The RIAA is big, Microsoft is much, much bigger and could tie them up in courts and outspend them in lobbying without missing a beat.

You helped make an album? Great - here's your flat fee, royalties go to the artist and the artist only. The problem would fix itself overnight.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#52
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It "backfires" because people post a small number of mp3 files on github that will promptly taken down? We did it reddit, the DMCA is no more! What a silly headline. If you want to actually something that will matter then make sure that github doesn't become a single point of failure for FLOSS software in the future. Or get your GH account banned by posting Lady Gaga tracks in your repos, you do you.

You just realized the people on Hacker News are no smarter than the folks on reddit!

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#53

> While GitHub’s CEO Nat Friedman was annoyed by RIAA takedown efforts, he stressed that the platform legally had to comply, which it did. It would be nice if for once platforms stood up legally for their users when they believe its unjust.

Too expensive. The fault lies with legislators and the damage was already done years ago.

Lobbyists. The fault lies with lobbyists. The politicians they bought are just the middlemen.

No, wait - the executives that sent the lobbyists. The fault lies with the corporations that have built and hijacked 'the music industry'.

Yes, I have a pretty easy time blaming a lot of social ills on greed.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i agree with you... now show them your support by sending them a blank check for their legal fees. oh... i'm sorry... did i offend HN, strike a nerve and become a troll? no i did not. i am demonstrating that most people on this site haven't the slightest clue what they are talking about. it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it…

it costs money and time to fight something and companies have something called a risk management department that decides whether it is worth the risk to fight or comply Genuine question: why? The police won't get involved in a civil matter, only a criminal one. So what happens if you just ignore the other side's lawyers?

Couldn't those ignored lawyers invoke the power of the court somehow? E.g. a subpoena or similar? IA(clearly)NAL.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily. If this situation goes viral and leads to an overall increase in piracy, someone at RIAA will have to answer for it.

The question being "Hooray, we can bill our clients more. Piracy is back! Who's name is going on this bonus here then?"

How do you optimize to maximize billing while minimizing effective takedowns? If I recall, you could host youtube-dl like repos in the Netherlands and Turkey on VMs running hosted git, and they'd be out of reach of the copyright cartel.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#56

Which will lead to GitHub adding content filters which will lead to false flags and rejected commits which will lead to algorithms wrongly flagging existing content in your repo which will lead to a byzantine appeal processes which ... ... no wait, that was my Youtube channel.

Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/

I think rather than pretending such efforts don't exist, opposing companies could strategically join to have _some_ say and _some_ influence on how this plays out.

Or maybe I'm just being naïve.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#57
post #51

This didn't backfire for the RIAA, it backfired for GitHub , who are absolutely not the bad guys in this. They have expressed more support for the project than they would have needed to and are bound to laws.

In the short-term, no. In the long-term - should companies like Microsoft get sick of their crap, all of the RIAAs power is based in regulatory capture. We can (and should) change the copyright laws that enable them to sue someone over a creative work that quite frankly they shouldn't get a single piece of after an extremely short period of time. The RIAA is big, Microsoft is much, much bigger and could tie them up i…

Microsoft is a member of RIAA.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#59
The EFF appears to concur with a previous comment I made on this topic:

"EFF believes that the circumvention restrictions in DMCA section 1201, which prevent people from bypassing technological restrictions, are too broad.

DMCA 1201 is incredibly broad, apparently allowing rightsholders to legally harass any ‘trafficker’ in code that lets users re-take control of their devices from DRM locks,” EFF wrote recently."

This creates an unaccountable enforcement party who can harass "targets" on behalf of another unaccountable party. The way it is written, reddit would have to take down a selectively unpopular subreddit for providing technology that facilitates the trafficking of copyrighted images. Whose copyright? Who cares? One could inject a bunch of copyrighted material into sites and then use a DMCA notice against their upstream provider to shut them off - a pattern I would predict is likely to materialize in coming months. Write sideloaded apps for a community because an app store uses their policy against you? "Circumvention!" The opportunities for abuse are endless.

While teleological arguments are always a bit iffy, the final objective is to ensure that there can be no information or service on the internet that is outside not only U.S. subpoena, but that there can be no communities or networks of personal relationships that are not governed by legacy institutions. It is under the auspices of people being "accountable," for their thoughts and beliefs, and yet without precision about to whom one is being held to account by.

To every establishment growth is the greatest threat of all, and the DMCA s1201 is effectively designed to suppress it. The good news is these blunt attacks are a forcing function for developing decentralized technologies, and every one of these creates a cohort of new hackers.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

#60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be naive. When they are done with open piracy they will move to other stuff. Did you whistle a copyrighted tune in the elevator? You owe us money now. (If you think I'm joking, look at Japan who jails musicians for 10+ years for playing covers at parties without paying royalties)

I don't think you're joking, but I think you're making pretty terrible assumptions. A party large enough is effectively a broadcast/performance. It's not as cut and dried and greed-filled as all that. For large acts and musical pieces that have moved into the larger cultural milieu, sure—there's a discussion to be had about the place of the work in that society. (And then maybe the society as a whole should compensat…

IP protection laws are completely overgrown though, in the way a bacteria out of balance harms it's host, or a plague of locusts destroys the environment.

10 years, not a second more! For all IP .. no exceptions.

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