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So... you're OK with having an exploited underclass of marginally attached gig workers? Or you're not?
You realize many of those exemptions were requested by the employees themselves?
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Not really. Black people might still be slaves if we left that up to popular opinion. That was NOT a popular opinion at the time. Same for women's voting rights. Black voting rights. Gay marriage. All these were passed when public support was hovering at 25% - and shortly after they were passed, public opinion quickly shifted in an S-curve.
Do you have data on slavery? My understanding was the North was pretty anti-slavery and had 3x the population of the south. I'd be interested if there is actual polling data to suggest if a popular vote was held it would have failed.
A special exception for a narrow set of companies with an established history of abhorrent behaviour with requires a 7/8ths vote to overturn/modify and then pretending that this is something the legislature can update. It's hard for me to not feel disappointed with the public on this one.
The best part about Prop 22 is it reveals who reads their props before expressing an opinion on them. It's a litmus test for who speaks in an uninformed manner. Here is the only reference to seven-eighths in Prop 22: > After the effective date of this chapter, the Legislature may amend this chapter by a statute passed in each house of the Legislature by rollcall vote entered into the journal, seven-eighths of the mem…
Well, thanks for exposing that your heuristic is broken-- because the only place I've seen it brough up is from reading it myself.
(If you saw it discussed elsewhere you may well have seen /me/ writing about it).
The 7/8th's threshold is an insult-- it exists for the only purpose of telling an effective lie about the legislatures ability to amend these exclusions.
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The best part about Prop 22 is it reveals who reads their props before expressing an opinion on them. It's a litmus test for who speaks in an uninformed manner. Here is the only reference to seven-eighths in Prop 22: > After the effective date of this chapter, the Legislature may amend this chapter by a statute passed in each house of the Legislature by rollcall vote entered into the journal, seven-eighths of the mem…
> The best part about Prop 22 is it reveals who reads their props before expressing an opinion on them. Well, thanks for exposing that your heuristic is broken-- because the only place I've seen it brough up is from reading it myself. (If you saw it discussed elsewhere you may well have seen /me/ writing about it). The 7/8th's threshold is an insult-- it exists for the only purpose of telling an effective lie about t…
Maybe people just really like ubers?
You mean cheap Ubers of course. I also don't think direct democracy lost here. Most people don't want Uber prices to go up. Democracy always sucks for the minority / people who don't have voting rights.
It is almost cute that we are trying to pass or block protections for a workforce that won't exist in 5 years.
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Part of why I voted for prop 22 is because the list of special exemptions to AB5 is a mile long. On top of the original exemptions, we even passed AB2257 which added a few dozen more ( https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtm... ) I think prop 22 is flawed, but I'm using it as a referendum on AB5 (and I think it's marginally better than the alternative). AB5 is a defacto ban on casual use of the g…
Same. The exception list is insane. I don't see how you can look at that list and _not_ think these drivers belong there as well. On top of this, most drivers I talked to were voting for it, and despite some cries about brainwashing by the companies via their apps, I'd imagine they do still have their own best interests in mind.
From the exemption list, is there any that rival the likes of Uber or Lyft?
This is a huge win for all, including drivers. If a driver decides they don't like how they're paid or the benefits they get, they have complete control to not do the job and work elsewhere.
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So... you're OK with having an exploited underclass of marginally attached gig workers? Or you're not?
You realize many of those exemptions were requested by the employees themselves?
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No one is forcing them to do this work. They opt-in to being a driver. Slavery is coerced labor, how can you even make the comparison?
Because our society depends on economic precarity to compel an underclass of people to work in whatever shitty jobs are offered in order to meet their basic needs.