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Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.

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Hardly. Go read about Stonewall and the ACTUP movement.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

#52

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"engaged with people and the culture" is a bit revisionist considering the number of conflicts with politicians and law enforcement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Inn for example? (Example chosen at random, there's tons of them)

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Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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We’re going to fight fascism, and if you don’t agree with us we’ll burn your house down. America in a nutshell.

Fighting "fascisms" with fascism...

I find it entirely bizarre that so large scope of population and media is fine with what is going on...

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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Not destruction of the middle ground, but rather hiding of the middle ground. Moderates do not feel safe to express moderate views for fear of being ostracized and cancelled.

It must be kind of difficult to have representation for moderate views when they only have two political parties.

Especially since both parties are more or less in one part of the political spectrum (as defined here: politicalcompass.org)

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All major political leaders were against gay marriage at some point. The Clintons, Obama, Biden, etc. As for GWB .... > George W. Bush's Forgotten Gay-Rights History > He defied his party by endorsing civil unions in 2004. (But that same year, he backed a constitutional amendment forbidding same-sex marriage. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/george-...

Was Trump?

It depends, he hates Rossie O'donnell so for her he is against it. But for his friend Peter Thiel he is in favor of it.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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post #12

we're posting Cato Institute links now?

Cato's leadership struggle in 2012 took it from a strongly-right-leaning but fundamentally intelligent and rational policy organization, to one step above the John Birch Society and a bare GOP stump organization.

I don't care one way or another about banning, but yeah, people really should not put any weight into what comes out of it today.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

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post #44

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Maybe distally, but more proximally I'd first put the blame on the people who have been running over or shooting other people.

Or ostracizing other people.

No, sorry. Ostracizing others is absolutely not equivalent to attempted murder.

Re: Poll: 62% of Americans Say They Have Political Views They’re Afraid to Share

#59
post #2

And this is why it's so important to maintain basic civility to everyone, regardless of political views.

It's a nice ideal, but once the views become too extreme, it's not practical. Not many people will maintain basic civility towards a person telling them they don't deserve basic rights for example.

See calling some things "basic rights" is already a point of contention and a loaded way of framing this, as if people are evil and wanting to not give other people something fundamental, essential for life, and "basic" that's been already decided. It's not decided, and a lot of what we've started calling "rights" these days aren't all that basic or universally agreed.

The way you've phrased it means that it's perfectly reasonable to be uncivil (violent) towards others. That's a breakdown of communication and has effectively "othered" the individuals/groups based on their disagreement with your framing of the topic.

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post #43

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That there are reasons other than racism that partially explain the achievement gap between races.

Such as...?

various aspects of IQ, demeanor, education, work ethic, surroundings, and a whole host of other variables, some external some internal. Of course the majority of people on HN and in the public will revert to weeping and gnashing of teeth rather than acknowledge this obvious fact, because the majority of people on HN and in the public implicitly tie human worth to economic output and intelligence (which is the actually bigoted and racist thing to do)
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