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Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by FridgeSeal »

thethethethe wrote: post #49
anotherman554 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't see the value in Stadia over buying a console. The only use case seems to be for someone too poor to afford a console, but that someone has enough money to buy a full price video game on Stadia.

People who want to game on their phones on the bus, in the car, waiting in line at the pharmacy etc. people who aren’t serious enough to buy a gaming PC or a console but still want to play a games occasionally. People who want to keep their lives simpler by converging to fewer devices I am sure there are many more

The kinds of games they're pushing don't match up with those use-cases though.

Doesn't matter how flashy Stadia is, you're hardly going to get past the loading screen on AC Odessey/whatever before you run out of time.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by kerng »

kerng wrote: post #6

What is Nest Secure? Is this what people call the "Nest" or some subsystem of it?

Wow, why is a question downvoted? Sorry, I really don't know if Nest Secure is what everyone calls Nest or not.

Instead of downvoting a simple yes or no would have been more helpful for me. I still don't know the answer by the way, but as far as I can tell from reading up its the same. In case anyone else is wondering also.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by jjoonathan »

thethethethe wrote: post #46
jjoonathan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but it matters disproportionately to early adopters. If a brand becomes toxic with early adopters it never gets in front of anyone else. Except through acquisition, I suppose. Cloud compute is an even starker example: Google lost the second-mover cloud space to Microsoft and they lost it because the relevant decision-makers knew Google's reputation.

Microsoft beat Google to second in cloud because it already had a strangle hold on a sizable portion of the enterprise computing market, not because executives at important companies (large enterprises) knew Google has a reputation for killing obscure consumer products. Microsoft already had relationships with many large and medium businesses/organizations, often spanning multiple decades, a business software ecosyst…

AWS doesn't have cheap Windows licenses, MSSQL, Office, and Active Directory. They're still beating Azure. Because they were first, of course -- but the point is that true competition is all about playing to your advantages and mitigating your disadvantages. Google had enormous advantages and squandered them. Maybe Microsoft's advantages were genuinely stronger, but from where I'm standing it looks like Google didn't even try.

I've seen the AWS vs Azure vs GCP drama play out a few times, once on a team with significant Microsoft legacy and twice without. In my judgement, the MS legacy, even at its most potent, was a smaller consideration than Google's unmitigated weakness, every manager's worst nightmare: the concrete risk that Google would cancel something and the manager would get blamed for not seeing it coming. Maybe I've just been blessed to work at non-dysfunctional companies where non-technical management asks the opinion of technical management on technical matters, but technical management is highly cognizant of this risk and has been for a decade.

My recommendation would have been to go on offense. Make AWS's constant over-promising and under-delivering a meme. Make Microsoft's we-have-altered-the-deal-pray-we-dont-alter-it-further enterprise pricing a meme (compare to: google and gmail are still free). Build counterveiling fears in that technical manager's mind, no lying required, because Amazon and MS earned those criticisms and they earned them hard.

Now it's probably too late. Too bad. So it goes.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by Animats »

tpmx wrote: post #24
Animats wrote: post #9

Go with a vendor that's serious about comprehensive security.[1][2] Google/Nest just imports the hardware from China anyway. Cut out the middleman and buy direct. [1] https://www.facebook.com/PhilteqHikvision/videos/35218484261... [2] https://youtu.be/-gAUW5tW4eQ

Really, Hikvision is serious about security now?

It's kind of a joke. They're in the Big Brother business, but, unlike Google, they admit it.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by BigBubbleButt »

deadmutex wrote: post #50
hobs wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might want to work somewhere else so you hear some differing opinions, pretty much nobody I know wants to implement on top of google products including GCP because of the perceived churn.

FWIW, before I worked at Google, we selected GCP over AWS/Azure. Was very happy with the result.

What were you using it for? I'll be upfront in saying that my experience with GCP was awful, but I can appreciate that others found it useful and would be curious to learn more.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by rodgerd »

MattGaiser wrote: post #3

I wonder, how many people consider Google products for something and go with another provider because you can't count on the product to exist long term?

Certainly the Google messenger saga vs iMessage was something that helped tip me to iOS when they killed Messenger.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by rodgerd »

fooey wrote: post #33
parhamn wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder this as well but outside the HN community. I don’t think many folks I know still attribute Google with the flakiness that this community does.

I would suggest the "community" of developers not trusting Google long term with anything is a major reason Stadia has been basically DOA. It's a big gamble to port a game to Stadia, and risk customers being mad at you , when Google inevitably pulls the plug

Particularly when Google are requiring you to port to a completely different stack to the one basically all games are written.

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by wollef »

anotherman554 wrote: post #45
fooey wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would suggest the "community" of developers not trusting Google long term with anything is a major reason Stadia has been basically DOA. It's a big gamble to port a game to Stadia, and risk customers being mad at you , when Google inevitably pulls the plug

I just don't see the value in Stadia over buying a console. The only use case seems to be for someone too poor to afford a console, but that someone has enough money to buy a full price video game on Stadia.

Save $X00? I'm an occasional gamer, so it's a bit hard to justify a console, but for the 1-2 games per year I want to play Stadia is great.

Put another way: if Stadia has the games you want (big if now, but improving over time) why shell out for a console?

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by nyokodo »

I was a chump and invested in quite an expensive Nest Secure installation. I have actually really liked it so far, however this has shaken my confidence in trusting Google long-term with anything let alone a product they're not selling any longer. Any recommendations on an eventual replacement?

Re: Google stops selling Nest Secure, still offers support

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Post by schoolornot »

nyokodo wrote: post #59

I was a chump and invested in quite an expensive Nest Secure installation. I have actually really liked it so far, however this has shaken my confidence in trusting Google long-term with anything let alone a product they're not selling any longer. Any recommendations on an eventual replacement?

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