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Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by rurp »

thombles wrote: post #26
TedShiller wrote: post #19

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You never know if SMS actually arrived. Sure, it probably did. But sometimes, it didn’t. And you won’t know.

Is that a common thing? IME they do always arrive unless the recipient has a habit of leaving their phone turned off for weeks.

I've had issues receiving SMS messages for no apparent reason, despite living in a major city and keeping my phone charged. I went down a rabbit hole with some support people once on it and we never found the root cause.

SMS messages work almost all of the time which makes it really irritating when they don't.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by threeseed »

yuriko_boyko wrote: post #21

Hard to say they're innovative when Samsung has produced folding phones before them. Similarly, bezelless display was just following Huawei and Samsung. In fact, many of their so called new and innovative features have appeared in android phones earlier, but Apple markets them better. Apple is efficient at money making. If I were to profile a company for innovation, I would profile Nintendo. They have consistently da…

Innovation is also about what you say no to.

Folding phones today are a mess e.g. creases, durability concerns, inconvenient form-factors.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by easton »

thombles wrote: post #26
TedShiller wrote: post #19

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You never know if SMS actually arrived. Sure, it probably did. But sometimes, it didn’t. And you won’t know.

Is that a common thing? IME they do always arrive unless the recipient has a habit of leaving their phone turned off for weeks.

The two group conversations I have on my iPhone that I interact with most are MMS, and often (once a week or so) I will miss part of a conversation and have to piece together what the heck is going on. More often I have a problem where messages send/recieve out of order (even if I'm stationary or using Wi-Fi calling to send), or one message will send and once will bounce so the recipient will get a picture with no context or a caption with no context.

None of us are on the same messaging services (besides Discord I guess, but that doesn't have good notifications), so we can't switch. This is on AT&T, but Verizon and T-Mobile have the same problem.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by jonp888 »

egsmi wrote: post #27
skruban wrote: post #20

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> only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. Why don't Americans use Telegram?

For me there are two basic reasons: 1) everyone I know is on iMessage, 2) iMessage does everything I require of a messaging app. Honest question and not trying to be hostile, why should I prefer telegram? What am I missing?

I don't know what "gimmicks" it may have which iMessage does not(although the in-chat polls are pretty handy), but IMO the big strength of Telegram is privacy. You can use it without revealing your e-mail address or phone number.

The situation of not knowing a single non-Apple user is unlikely outside the US anyhow.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by easton »

randmeerkat wrote: post #49
egsmi wrote: post #27

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For me there are two basic reasons: 1) everyone I know is on iMessage, 2) iMessage does everything I require of a messaging app. Honest question and not trying to be hostile, why should I prefer telegram? What am I missing?

End to end encryption. If you’re using iCloud with iMessage Apple has access to your messages. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Apple doesn't have access to your iMessages unless you give them permission by consenting to have your keys backed up to iCloud. If you use iTunes backup (or don't back up your phone), the Messages will be encrypted and can only be unlocked if you have a device that still has the keys.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

"Messages in iCloud also uses end-to-end encryption. If you have iCloud Backup turned on, your backup includes a copy of the key protecting your Messages. This ensures you can recover your Messages if you lose access to iCloud Keychain and your trusted devices. When you turn off iCloud Backup, a new key is generated on your device to protect future messages and isn't stored by Apple."

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by AlphaSite »

optimiz3 wrote: post #9
robotresearcher wrote: post #5

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> What about the fact that they haven't announced a single new product category since the Apple Watch in 2014? AirPods (2016) are pretty popular. (edit: I listed some of Apple's recent new services here, but removed since the AirPods make the point by themselves. Apologies to user optimiz3 for leaving your comment dangling.)

A credit card is a bit of a stretch. Virtually every enterprise in existence has tried to get me to sign up for their in-house card since the mid 80s.

I mean if you look at it in conjunction with Apple pays it’s pretty good.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by _zllx »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #41
_zllx wrote: post #34

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Anecdotal sources: Every group of peers that wouldn't have excluded me from the group chat if it didn't "turn green"

The green means that it's technically inferior than WhatsApp, iMessage, Signal, etc. and/or you can end up with surprise international texting charges from your mobile network. I don't have a problem with people discriminating against MMS, but everyone I know doesn't have a problem using any of the other decent alternatives that work on both Android and iOS.

I agree it's a good indicator, only given it isn't exclusive to a restricted platform (or expensive platform, therefore making it a status symbol). I think Signal does this right, 1. by supporting all major platforms, 2. by showing standard SMS as "dull grey" and allowing you to choose your own color for a contact (otherwise having a random color) when the conversation is Signal enhanced. On that note, I have hopes that Signal can become The One True Messenger after they iron out a few more quirks.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by Razengan »

maxharris wrote: post #2

Is the way "Apple is organized for innovation" the reason why XCode is so prone to crashing? Is it why so many of Apple's new APIs are lacking documentation? Is it the reason the iOS Simulator doesn't reliably export the accessibility tree needed to run XCUI tests without flaking half the time? What about the fact that they haven't announced a single new product category since the Apple Watch in 2014? To my mind, it…

If nothing else, watching Apple will give you an idea of what every other company is going to do for the next few years.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by shybutnotshy »

egsmi wrote: post #27
skruban wrote: post #20

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> only "alternatives" are Facebook and (barely usable) SMS. Why don't Americans use Telegram?

For me there are two basic reasons: 1) everyone I know is on iMessage, 2) iMessage does everything I require of a messaging app. Honest question and not trying to be hostile, why should I prefer telegram? What am I missing?

1) everyone I know is on iMessage,

So you're privileged in an entirely privileged bubble? If iPhone is only 52% of the USA and 20% of the world it seems almost statistically impossible that all of your friends or family can use iMessage.

Re: How Apple Is Organized for Innovation

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Post by sudosysgen »

threeseed wrote: post #47
culturestate wrote: post #16

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> it certainly seems as if Apple is actually organized to simply refine the innovations of its past This takes innovation, too. Just because a product isn't a wholly new, virgin thing doesn't mean it isn't innovative. The A-series chips aren't products themselves, for example, but they're certainly innovations. Apple is now the best mobile processor house in the world, and it isn't particularly close - who saw that c…

> Apple is now the best mobile processor house in the world Will likely be the best laptop processor in the world as well.

Very much doubtful. AMD is seriously on fire, and unless they can pull some magic I don't see that happening.
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