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Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

#52
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be even worse, that different continent is on a different planet. Space(time) is absolutely, mind-boggling massive. Everyone knows it's big but it hard to comprehend how big and why there could be many alien civilizations out there capable of broadcasting or detecting but never intersect in any way because the detection windows of any 2 civilizations don't line up. The Milky Way alone is ~150000-200000 light y…

I remember reading somewhere that due to the differing pace of evolution and technology advancements, any intelligent living aliens we meet are almost certainly going to be gods or cavemen. I can't find the reference.

It's from Arthur C. Clarke: "If one considers the millions of years of pre-history, and the rapid technological advancement occurring now, if you apply that to a hypothetical alien race, one can figure the probabilities of how advanced the explorers will find them. The conclusion is we will find apes or angels, but not humans."

[0]http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/alientech.php

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

#53
post #6

> the zone where Earth's transit is visible gets smaller as you get closer to our solar system I’m trying to imagine why that is but cannot.

Think of the zone they're talking about as a disk: the plane of Earth's orbit, extending out to the maximum distance where the transit is still considered detectable. Most of that disk's area is far off, towards the edge; little of it is near.

The article puts this in a confusing way, imho.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

#54
post #6

> the zone where Earth's transit is visible gets smaller as you get closer to our solar system I’m trying to imagine why that is but cannot.

If you're at a horse race, is it easier to discern the horses are running in circles from the sidelines, or from the bleachers? How about an overhead drone?

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

#55
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Habitable planets are the ultimate scarce resource. Once the earth is full we’ll have to find a way to move and there’s less than 5 good options in this solar system. In time they’ll be full too.

The only logical path is to download our brains onto computers, which will happen before that point. Once that technology exists, that's the only form of life that will dominate. Robots, nano-machines and hyper-intelligences will blow easily damaged flesh with finite lifespans. Habitable regions would be massively expanded.

When you can figure out how to physically attach consciousness to a machine, get back to me

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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What's staggering to me is that with the new Voyager discoveries lately it feels like we're a bunch of stellar savages who just managed to release a buoy far enough into the ocean to feel the currents. Let alone recognize another savage on a different continent who might be doing the same experiment.

It may be even worse, that different continent is on a different planet. Space(time) is absolutely, mind-boggling massive. Everyone knows it's big but it hard to comprehend how big and why there could be many alien civilizations out there capable of broadcasting or detecting but never intersect in any way because the detection windows of any 2 civilizations don't line up. The Milky Way alone is ~150000-200000 light y…

While interstellar travel would be impossible using conventional thrust in a straight line, could you overcome the distance by bending space time?[0]

[0]https://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/gravstat....

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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post #31

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Are we though? Universe is huge. Wars on earth are waged over scares resources. If we are capable of reaching aliens would we really be incentivized to fight them while there are so many resources available elsewhere?

Habitable planets are the ultimate scarce resource. Once the earth is full we’ll have to find a way to move and there’s less than 5 good options in this solar system. In time they’ll be full too.

Not at all, first our population will never exceed 11 billion, and most developed countries are in a demographic crisis. There is no sign of this trend reversing anywhere.

Second, what does 'earth is full' even mean? We have vast swaths of 'useless' land, like arctic and desert. Cities/towns/anything cover like 1% of the world. It is easier to desalinate water / build cities and greenhouses in deserts than it is to move people to another planet. We could host a lot more people if we adopted some serious geoengineering and built greenhouses /ate less meat.

Thirdly, travel to another star system requires insane amounts of energy, and could only be done by civilisations that already have enormous space infrastructure and industry. In which case you build habitats like we build skyscrapers, you can terraform, etc. In that case you don't need or want to ship billions of people to another star system.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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post #2

What's staggering to me is that with the new Voyager discoveries lately it feels like we're a bunch of stellar savages who just managed to release a buoy far enough into the ocean to feel the currents. Let alone recognize another savage on a different continent who might be doing the same experiment.

Given the relative age of planets and stars, other alien "civilizations" would be hundreds of millions or Billions of years older than us. The notion that we'd all be roughly at the same level of advancement is statistically impossible pop-sci-fi fantasy. In my opinion, it's unlikely that they are even organic individuals anymore. Even the separate alien "entities" might have a process of merging once they achieve a…

>We are like fungus to them.

Maybe the fungi think that about us? They've been around longer than we have and take up more of the planet.

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

#59
post #6

> the zone where Earth's transit is visible gets smaller as you get closer to our solar system I’m trying to imagine why that is but cannot.

The article is just poorly written. Even the first line is messed up... > Those 1,004 star systems are in a direct line of sight to our planet... It's SPACE. Every star within 1000 light years is in a direct line of sight to every other star.

I was translating 'direct line of sight' as 'parallel enough to our ecliptic plane to see the Earth occluding the Sun'.

> Every star within 1000 light years is in a direct line of sight to every other star.

There could be space crap in between. - Of course I just realized something obvious. Along our PotE lies most of our solar system debris. Shouldn't that be obstructing alien views?

Excepting highly tilted orbits or unusually clean solar systems, how are we seeing exoplanets at all? Is there a sweet spot, just a bit above the plane, where observable solar occlusion still occurs?

Re: Aliens on 1k nearby stars could see us, new study suggests

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be even worse, that different continent is on a different planet. Space(time) is absolutely, mind-boggling massive. Everyone knows it's big but it hard to comprehend how big and why there could be many alien civilizations out there capable of broadcasting or detecting but never intersect in any way because the detection windows of any 2 civilizations don't line up. The Milky Way alone is ~150000-200000 light y…

That’s why the best thing any species can do for the other species is to leave signs that we were once here.

We still need to leave a heck of a collection. On a living, evolving planet if all civilizations are gone the signs get wiped out pretty fast in geological time (geology, weather), and in space the signs are usually traveling in the emptiness with little chances of being spotted. The best probes will eventually fail and will just add to the countless objects floating never to encounter anything.

I know it sounds depressing but I keep getting reminded of this [0] when thinking of loneliness in the universe. It's the most apt description I came across in recent memory.

[0] https://www.theoatmeal.com/comics/oracle

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