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Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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If we go down this path we’ll watch autopilots racing soon. Not fun

Though if there are no drivers, they don't have to worry about safety. Removing that constraint would be interesting. Might want to branch it though, as it'd become something different.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I honestly sat down with a few friends and we watched Kimi Raikonnen but it was not a lot of action in terms of overtaking and drama - it was mostly inching forward and making time. I fully understand and appreciate the amount of skills that go into driving an F1 car, but what is in for the spectator?

Have a look at F1 - Drive to survive on Netflix. I never considered myself to be “into” F1, and this series really opened my eyes to the sport and everything that goes into a race. It provides a view that normal TV doesn’t give you, but will have you watch the regular TV broadcast of races with very different eyes.

Same here! Among many other things, it was amazing to see the amount of fighting in the midfield. It's really not just about who takes first place.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

#53

I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I honestly sat down with a few friends and we watched Kimi Raikonnen but it was not a lot of action in terms of overtaking and drama - it was mostly inching forward and making time. I fully understand and appreciate the amount of skills that go into driving an F1 car, but what is in for the spectator?

It's easier to understand if you've attended a live race. The visual, aural and olfactory impressions of the cars are breathtaking. That, and the fact that the drivers are largely trying to cover ground as fast as they can without sliding off the track is what fascinates me. I have done some club-level open wheel racing realize that the drivers are constantly on the edge of crashing. If they could go faster, they would.

The cars largely determine the success of the endeavor. It's often that following qualifying, the grid is composed of team cars side-by-side for at least the first few rows. There are exceptional drivers who break the pattern and all but carry the car around on their back like Verstappen and Leclerc.

The car technology is genuinely fascinating to me, but I'm a gearhead anyway.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I honestly sat down with a few friends and we watched Kimi Raikonnen but it was not a lot of action in terms of overtaking and drama - it was mostly inching forward and making time. I fully understand and appreciate the amount of skills that go into driving an F1 car, but what is in for the spectator?

Sports are a lot more enjoyable the more you empathize with the athletes, and the more you experience what's happening viscerally. I've never watched F1 before, and I could feel the excitement, concentration, and anxiety when I watched a video on YouTube.

You can increase your ability to empathize with the athletes by playing the sport. I couldn't have cared less about the NBA until I started playing pick up.

I still don't watch sports though. There are usually better things to do.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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>I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I watch it because I drive/drove race cars. I love auto-racing. I love the noise, the personalities, and most importantly the cars. I can't answer your question, really. If there isn't any draw to watch it, you probably just don't enjoy it. No shame in that. I don't really understand why people watch football/bas…

I was going to say the Tour de France is the prime example of sports most people who are not road cyclists find intolerable to watch. Maybe its just hard to grasp how powerful the aerodynamic forces are without having ridden in a high speed pace line, but lots of people watch car racing without driving 200 mph either.

Even then, the interest tends to be in key moments and stages. A final sprint, a hard climb, a segment with side wind or cobblestones. Back in the 90s, during Indurain's dominance, just about everyone in Spain tuned in to watch, but other than special moments, most people dozed off the afternoon nap.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I honestly sat down with a few friends and we watched Kimi Raikonnen but it was not a lot of action in terms of overtaking and drama - it was mostly inching forward and making time. I fully understand and appreciate the amount of skills that go into driving an F1 car, but what is in for the spectator?

This may be a meta answer, but I think it's not really about the race most of the time. It's either about childhood memories of seeing it, remembering your friends that are far away, or having deep technical knowledge about the cars or something like that. I used to think I didn't really like sports until I started going to bars to see Starcraft II matches. I still have good memories about it and my friends back then…

This really resonates with me. I never understood why my mom would spend whole sundays with football on, but have probably watched 20 hours of worlds for league of legends in the last two weeks. I play with my friends and have for 10 years, it's part of who I am. It seems silly, I imagine, but it seems like it must be the same thing for me as it always was for her.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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post #51

If we go down this path we’ll watch autopilots racing soon. Not fun

Though if there are no drivers, they don't have to worry about safety. Removing that constraint would be interesting. Might want to branch it though, as it'd become something different.

Yes, I agree about the safety, but without the human element it’s just so.. Not sure if people would still be interested, it wouldnt classify as a sport

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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I mean this in the most respectful way: Can someone please explain the allure of watching F1 race on TV? I honestly sat down with a few friends and we watched Kimi Raikonnen but it was not a lot of action in terms of overtaking and drama - it was mostly inching forward and making time. I fully understand and appreciate the amount of skills that go into driving an F1 car, but what is in for the spectator?

F1 stopped being fun to watch 20 years ago, after all the stupid rules. Overtaking, DRS, tires that make you slower, qualifying changing every year.

Re: Engineers, not racers, are the true drivers of success in motor sport

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This entire argument is simply because Hamilton is black. He sets records and all of a sudden he can't shine by himself. Of course the team is important and very good but also so is Hamilton as is evident by his teammate who has the same car unless you truly believe Mercedes is giving his teammate a handicapped car.

There has been an undertone in almost all controversies in F1 for decades that technology (and by proxy, money, computational power, etc.) is gradually replacing driving skill. It's hardly an argument that just came into being because Lewis Hamilton, who has been clearly one of the best in the world for 12 years already, is now in a 6-year winning streak with the dominant team. In fact if you look at patterns of team dominance, I'd argue this is already been the case for 30 years.
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