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Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by Uberphallus » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 7:46 AM UTC

wtmt wrote: post #42

Thorentis wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't she just use your last name when you got married? Seems like a pretty simple solution.

I don’t get why people still take it for granted that a woman should change her name on getting married and use the husband’s name. People should have the names assigned to them at birth or whatever they’ve changed it to as per their wish. I personally find the changing of names on marriage as an erasure of identity, even if the person is ok with it because of internalization or cultural conditioning.

I find it actually demeaning, but people often couldn't care less.

There are laws in France from revolution times [0] that basically set your name in stone because anyone using whatever name they liked without need for any paper trail basically cause administrative and bureaucratic hell.

But nowadays even the administration works around that to comply with the tradition with things like "nom d'usage" (you can see it as "lastname nickname"), which is basically allowing you to use another name for non-legal purposes, but people still think it's legal and shove it in every form as regular "nom".

I repeatedly heard from people working in HR that a significant amount of the questions they get the first few months of employees are just (married) women complaining about their last name "being wrong" on their payslips simply because they think that's no longer their legal name though it is.

[0] Loi du 6 fructidor an II (August 23rd 1794), liberal translation of article 1: no citizen will carry any other name than that of the birth certificate.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by Uberphallus » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 7:55 AM UTC

ClikeX wrote: post #40

alexmingoia wrote: post #3

Somewhat related and worth pointing out is that the whole world does not use family names, or the family name as a last name. My wife was annoyed when she came to the US and every form has a “first” and “last” field, but she doesn’t have a last name. Her passport for example, only has a “name” field.

Related anecdote. Long ago, lot of forms from American websites wouldn't let me fill in my last name. As it technically contains 3 words. I had to concat "van der" to my last name to finish registration.

Another anecdote.

Colleague last name: O'Donnell. You can already see where this is going.

Bonus points: has an email address as "FirstName.O'Donnell"@domain.com which basically works in <1% of the sites though it's completely legal, just because nobody cares about specs. Obviously he has other email addresses. The good thing is he gets 0 spam in that inbox.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by Uberphallus » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 7:57 AM UTC

stevesimmons wrote: post #49

aphroz wrote: post #17

I have worked on projects where I needed to extract firstnames and lastnames and if you want to use this dataset to extract names, here are some caveats: - firstnames can be lastnames as well - common words can be names as well - some stop words can be names - the order can change, you can write firstname, lastname or lastname, firstname - Some names are as short as one letter Using ML can be useful if you can separa…

> Some names are as short as one letter I recently read a French political news story referring to O. It must be a misprint, I thought at first. But there is a French cabinet minister named Cedric O. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9dric_O

A French colleague's last name is "Le". As in, the main stopword in French.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by beilabs » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 7:59 AM UTC

Does not have my first name of my wife. No, you may not know her name....she goes to another school.

Aside, not that exhaustive though her name is a combination of two first letters from her dad and from her moms names. It is in the wild though, have heard others with her name.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by Arech » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 8:17 AM UTC

That's an interesting thing. However, it would me more interesting (and usable, for example, in gamedev) if each name would also contain a reference to, for example, top-3 countries/cultures in which the name is popular.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by Loranubi » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 8:53 AM UTC

stevesimmons wrote: post #49

aphroz wrote: post #17

I have worked on projects where I needed to extract firstnames and lastnames and if you want to use this dataset to extract names, here are some caveats: - firstnames can be lastnames as well - common words can be names as well - some stop words can be names - the order can change, you can write firstname, lastname or lastname, firstname - Some names are as short as one letter Using ML can be useful if you can separa…

> Some names are as short as one letter I recently read a French political news story referring to O. It must be a misprint, I thought at first. But there is a French cabinet minister named Cedric O. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9dric_O

Never read "Story of O" before? ;)

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by alexmingoia » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 9:11 AM UTC

pyuser583 wrote: post #24

alexmingoia wrote: post #3

Somewhat related and worth pointing out is that the whole world does not use family names, or the family name as a last name. My wife was annoyed when she came to the US and every form has a “first” and “last” field, but she doesn’t have a last name. Her passport for example, only has a “name” field.

Where is she from?

She is from Myanmar. In addition to not having family names, people from Myanmar typically have names consisting of 2-4 words. Her name is 4 words. This causes additional issues as many people and systems assume that names are single words. Many web forms won't allow multiple words as first or last name. It's maddening.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by soneil » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 9:14 AM UTC

Uberphallus wrote: post #52

ClikeX wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Related anecdote. Long ago, lot of forms from American websites wouldn't let me fill in my last name. As it technically contains 3 words. I had to concat "van der" to my last name to finish registration.

Another anecdote. Colleague last name: O'Donnell. You can already see where this is going. Bonus points: has an email address as "FirstName.O'Donnell"@domain.com which basically works in <1% of the sites though it's completely legal, just because nobody cares about specs. Obviously he has other email addresses. The good thing is he gets 0 spam in that inbox.

I had a similar email address for many years. I kept putting in tickets asking if we could change it, or at least create an alias sans-apostrophe, but never got a reply.

Eventually they came to me and asked if I'd mind changing it. I pointed out I'd requested this roughly 10 times by that point, and we discovered their ticket system had been eating it.

For bonus points, I'm in Ireland, the one place on earth you'd expect o'names to be handled gracefully.

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by junon » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 9:18 AM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #45

I have strong doubts this is exhaustive or that it could be. For one, it doesn't contain the name "Genoveffa" which is the italianized form of Jennifer. There are wikipedia-level people named thus, so it's not that uncommon.[0] There's an infinite amount of misspelled/localized names outside their country of origin e.g. Maicol for Michael, Sandiago for Santiago, Uilliam, Villiam, Willian etc etc Aditional "anecdata":…

It doesn't contain my last name and it's not the most unique one in the world (especially in France).

Re: Names.io – Global Exhaustive Scraped Name Db

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Post by MrOxiMoron » Thu, Oct 08, 2020, 9:22 AM UTC

alexmingoia wrote: post #3

Somewhat related and worth pointing out is that the whole world does not use family names, or the family name as a last name. My wife was annoyed when she came to the US and every form has a “first” and “last” field, but she doesn’t have a last name. Her passport for example, only has a “name” field.

the Netherlands has the reverse, we have last name prefixes (Van, De, Van Der, Van De, ...) which are separate and when sorting on last name they shouldn't be counted, because de V and D become very crowded then.