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DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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Its 2020 and you're still on a crt?

Some of those last generation CRTs had amazing picture. I had one from 2003 or so that could do 2048x1564 with a picture better than anything you could get from an LCD until the late 2000s.

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Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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Not really. They plan to try to make "as many PS4 games BC as possible" which means they are actively porting games they deem worth porting, versus it being natively supported

PS5 is an x86 CPU + AMD RDNA GPU. PS4 was an x86 CPU + AMD GCN GPU. A huge amount of games will be portable from the get-go. GCN and RDNA have extremely similar assembly languages. The only major assembly language change from GCN -> RDNA is DPP / cross-lane operations (kinda like pshufb from x86). But I'm not even sure if the PS4 had those instructions.

That isn't the original point. The PS4 is not natively backward compatible, the base game needs to be ported.

Native BC would be

1. It runs native hardware (PS2 EE on Early PS3) 2. It runs without updates required (PS2 running inside emulator on later PS3)

This requires actual updates by the dev for individual games to work

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The PS5 can play PS4 games so it would be a worse financial decision I guess

But it doesn't have any games worth playing on it, whereas the ps4 has an established and extensive library that would take (me, at least) quite some time to get through. Probably long enough for the ps5 to become more purchasable than a steel Daytona, unlike now where it"s apparently extremely difficult to buy

For me, I'll get a PS5 for Demons' Souls alone. When you factor in upcoming games like the new Horizon Zero Dawn next year and the graphics-upgrades like Cyberpunk 2077, its definitely worth it.

Although, realistically, it'll be a few months into next year before I actually get one.

Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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Yeah, but to the casual user like me, that's going to help with load times... go from 2 seconds to 1 second.

A casual user like you ends up using quite complex compute on the cloud, when you watch a video on youtube, scroll a newsfeed, and make an airline booking. Some of the advanced complexities of those tasks, when programmed well by good engineers, can become feasible with this. All the Machine Learning related buzzwords exist mainly because they have only now become computationally feasible. You never know what will come next.

Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

#56

When will this be available with AMD? I'm currently shopping for a new build, and willing to wait 6 months or so, but beyond that I'm not sure ...

AMD will present its next generation Ryzen CPUs, based on Zen 3, the day after tomorrow, 08.10.2020 [0][1] - maybe we can get more info about DDR5 compatibility already then. [0]: https://twitter.com/AMDRyzen/status/1312080706739339266 ? [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020?sf238352749=1&sf23...

DDR5 isn't coming until Zen 4, this has been known and shown on the roadmap for a long time as DDR5 requires a new socket design.

Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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When will this be available with AMD? I'm currently shopping for a new build, and willing to wait 6 months or so, but beyond that I'm not sure ...

AMD will present its next generation Ryzen CPUs, based on Zen 3, the day after tomorrow, 08.10.2020 [0][1] - maybe we can get more info about DDR5 compatibility already then. [0]: https://twitter.com/AMDRyzen/status/1312080706739339266 ? [1]: https://www.amd.com/en/events/gaming-2020?sf238352749=1&sf23...

Zen 3 will be the last launch for the AM4 platform right? I’d imagine DDR5 comes with whatever is the next socket.

Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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I like what IBM has done with their latest power chip - effectually made the whole memory interface upgradable. https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/09/03/the-memory-area-netw... "the shift from dedicated DDR4 memory controllers to Serdes-based, high speed differential signaling mixed with buffer chips on memory modules that can be taught to speak DDR4, DDR5, GDDR6, 3D XPoint, or whatever, is an important shift in syste…

Sounds a lot like FB-DIMMs.

Re: DDR5 Is Coming: First 64GB DDR5-4800 Modules from SK Hynix

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PS5 is backwards compatible FYI.

Not really. They plan to try to make "as many PS4 games BC as possible" which means they are actively porting games they deem worth porting, versus it being natively supported

It would be silly for Sony to not support BC to at least PS4 games (if not PS3-2-1 through some sort of emulation) since Xbox Series X will have BC down to the first Xbox console.

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I like what IBM has done with their latest power chip - effectually made the whole memory interface upgradable. https://www.nextplatform.com/2020/09/03/the-memory-area-netw... "the shift from dedicated DDR4 memory controllers to Serdes-based, high speed differential signaling mixed with buffer chips on memory modules that can be taught to speak DDR4, DDR5, GDDR6, 3D XPoint, or whatever, is an important shift in syste…

Adds a latency hop, which generally can be dealt with by prefetching and larger caches on the CPU side. There's speculation that AMD is going to do the same - in Zen 2 and later designs the CPU chiplets are coupled with different IO dies depending on the design (Ryzen, Threadripper, Epyc), and swapping out the IO die for one that has support for new/different memory types would less work than taping out a whole new m…

> CPU chiplets are coupled with different IO dies depending on the design

How does that differ from Intel's approach?

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