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Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by smartisass » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:56 PM UTC

skizm wrote: post #4

I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.

Copy pasting my comment from above: Someone in a previous thread mentioned Sceptre TVs. They are dumb. Incredibly low priced but quality models available (55" 4k HDR HDMI 2.0 for $300) [1]. They have 30yrs experience. Seems a good company. Have high-end models too.

[1] https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U550CV-UMRD-55-4K-UHD-T...

Anybody here have one?

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by pmontra » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:56 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

Users of TVs, wow. I remember when they were not more difficult to use than a door bell.

I'm always more convinced that I'll end up with a monitor, a Raspberry, a stereo speaker and possibly a DVBT decoder.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by corobo » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

manuelabeledo wrote: post #19

I keep seeing people who argue that TVs would be notably "more expensive" if they didn't come with ads. Let's say that the average Samsung TV costs $1,000, ad revenue per person is around $30 a year, and the average lifespan of a TV is 10 years. I own a Samsung TV since 2016. I think they may have pushed 5 firmware updates since then. There is no way I can be convinced that Samsung needs to increase the price of TVs…

> why can't I just pay more and opt out

Because they one day realised they can make you pay more and show you ads to get both of the moneys

Honestly this is why I fully back adblockers of all kinds. Companies associated with ad tech would do much worse if they thought they could get away with it

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by Macha » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

searchableguy wrote: post #18

I am waiting for some manufacturer to add a camera disguised for remote work or something similar and then use it to pause ads when you are not looking. Spotify already does this.

Spotify reads a webcam to hide ads when the viewer is not looking at the app?

Or it pauses ads when the app is muted?

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by lostcolony » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

smartisass wrote: post #24

Someone in a previous thread mentioned Sceptre TVs. They are dumb. Incredibly low priced but quality models available (55" 4k HDR HDMI 2.0 for $300) [1]. They have 30yrs experience. Seems a good company. Have high-end models too. [1] https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U550CV-UMRD-55-4K-UHD-T... Anybody here have one?

I had one ~eight years ago. It worked fine. Not a cinophile though, so can't really comment on anything there. Am a gamer; no noticeable smearing and no detectable input lag greater than any other TV. We ended up getting rid of it after a move caused it to get damaged. Only thing really of note I can remember was it was fairly heavy, but I never compared it against other TVs being sold around that time so can't say it was due to the brand.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by MereInterest » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

fredley wrote: post #22

lgats wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TVs in China already got around this by displaying ads even when not internet connected.

How?

I'd imagine any one of cell networks, mesh connections to nearby tvs, partnering with xfinity for wifi (or similar in China), jumping onto your neighbor's unsecured wifi, etc.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by notional » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

simlevesque wrote: post #33

gtsteve wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A smart TV can be a dumb TV if you never connect it to the internet and just plug in whatever you want to it via HDMI. I have a 'smart' TV myself and the only buttons I use on the remote are power and input select. It's never seen the internet since I've had it. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before these TVs require 'activation' and frequent 'reactivation' before you can use them though. Alternatively they may…

tell me, how log does your "dumb smart tv" take to boot ?

My nonintenernet connected tv takes probably 5ish seconds to boot. Which for a tv is crazy long but it's a low end westinghouse tv that I've never connected to my network. I use chromecast with it, so google can spy on me instead I suppose.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by checkyoursudo » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:57 PM UTC

namanaggarwal wrote: post #15

Made a mental note to buy only the dumb tv. If I want streaming options I would rather setup my own. Or for non-tech I would recommend dumb tv + apple tv or Chromecast

This is getting slightly more difficult to do lately, depending on where you live. In northern Sweden where there aren't very many different stores nearby, options were quite limited when we bought a TV several months ago. Every unit over a certain size, like maybe 32"(?), was a smart TV.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by simlevesque » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:58 PM UTC

gtsteve wrote: post #47

simlevesque wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tell me, how log does your "dumb smart tv" take to boot ?

Around a minute after losing mains power. When resuming from standby it's instant, like every other TV.

It an offline smart tv then, not a dumb tv.

Re: Samsung Ads – Demand-Side Platform

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Post by kageneko » Fri, Oct 02, 2020, 2:59 PM UTC

skizm wrote: post #4

I wonder if there is a market for dumb TVs. They basically don't exist today. Closest thing I could get was a Dell conference room monitor, which is $1200 for a 55 inch, and $4500 for a 75 inch. A far cry from the $700 I spent on my current 75 inch TV, but I'm strongly considering it.

I've bought a few non-smart TVs from Wal-mart: Sceptre brand. They were cheap and functional. I use them with Fire TV sticks, XBox, and this NUC that I've got sitting around.