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One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

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Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#51

It's convenient that Digital Ocean has a scapegoat for 2020 but his video doesn't explain the previous years of spammy pull requests.

As a mailserver owner, spam is the first thing that comes to my mind when someone says digitalocean. Malicious bots would be 2nd. I've never learned why DO is a malicious traffic leader. Maybe they're competing with OVH to be the next MCColo.

Or the next bulletproof hosting

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#52
post #18

A better idea would be for hacktoberfest to send everyone who has made a 1-line change to a README.md as their PRs to be given a dunces hat instead.

Or maybe they should secretly ship the shirts with a large "spam PR" written on it for those who raised spammy PRs.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#53

This is not only kind of spam going on here. A twitter user mentioned that some youtubers are themselves creating assignment aggregation type repos, and encouraging their viewers to contribute some copy paste code to those repos and they approve the pull request. That's insane. I feel ashamed to say I am an Indian.

I would not be too harsh. This way it does not spam normal repos.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#54
post #48
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk about the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever did a…

> You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk through the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of its existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever di…

Yeah, this really makes me wonder what the room gets up to during threat modelling session at Digital Ocean. But perhaps they don’t do that sort of thing.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#55
I don’t get what the big deal of this is. 1-50 PRs with insignificant changes.

Simple fix, simple scripting of

prs.all().forEach( if pr.MinorChanges, then close w/ comment).

Minor changes are just taking the number of diff files, and checking if it’s less than > 1. That’s just one way to do it.

Feels like enough venting has been done, but why bring up the problem when you can come forth with a solution. Or at least propose one?

Furthermore, does this deserve Twitter attention? How about ours? [hn commubity]

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#56

If everything that CodeWithHarry says is true, then I don't see how it's his fault. Also, this doesn't seem like a big deal. Just ignore the spammy emails for a while and close the pull requests.

I speak hindi, and in fact he is actually encouraging spam and is BSing in the response. He has said to look for repos with low traffic and do a pull request changing the readme and to do it 20 times, so if most will be marked as invalid, at least 4 wont.

One preview image of his video literally said they are distributing free t-shirts, still them.

https://twitter.com/shitoberfest/status/1311843369077764097?...

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#57
Some people are giving him the benefit of doubt because you don't understand hindi. Please don't.

This person really did encourage his 600k+ subscribers to spam the PRs in no uncertain words. He explained how developers with swag clothing and brand stickers look cool and get respect. He told people "it won't improve you much as a developer. But hey, free t-shirt swag, and there's a well defined path to get it. I request every one of my followers to make 20 spam PRs so at least 4 sit for more than a week".

I guess this was bound to happen since hacktoberfest and similar programs have become so popular. Part of me is sad that some influencer is so careless and rallied 20 something enthusiastic kids to do this and adding another bad incident Indians will be remembered for.

Edit: I'm college student (graduating in about 8 months) and I'll highlight that there's a very massive guidance problem here. Enthusiastic students have no one to mentored and direct them and it makes them act on lot of bad advice. In my college, sophomores teach freshmen about Google's Summer of Code, open source and events like hacktoberfest. These endeavours are headed by the one or two guys among the students who happen to get into GSoC/ICPC or (in majority of the cases) have a good competitive coding profile. When everyone involved is a beginner, you get unintended outcomes. It's just so much of a convoluted mess, that even the capable students distance themselves from it (convoluted, as in these capable folks are outnumbered by the enthusiastic kids, who, despite their best intentions shouldn't be guiding others right now. And the one club head is a former part of these guys who really hasn't improved in the 2 years after that). Much of this bad guidance contributes to that statistics you see on how "90% of Indian coders are unqualified"

Edit 2: (just dropping my reply down the thread from) Someone mentioned that I shouldn't drag other Indians into this. I guess that was bad judgement on my part as it doesn't really matter here, I apologise it I came off as disrespectful to fellow South Asian demographic, that wasn't my intention, I just wanted to bring attention to an underlying issue. We have a lot of bad rep for filling sites like Quora and Medium with loads of low effort content, sending unsolicited messages on LinkedIn and AngelList, and in general bad etiquette in messaging others over the internet. Much of this can be attributed to us having 1/6 of world's population (more if you just count English speaking populace), but that doesn't excuse people's bad behaviour. I personally believe that there's a need to teach people on how to conduct written communication and how to behave in casual to semi-formal settings in the internet.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#59
post #48
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk about the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of it's existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever did a…

> You know, as one of the people who sat in a room with my colleagues, listening them talk through the hours and hour of thinking they had done around how to contribute meaningfully to OSS, revising and revising till they landed on hacktoberfest, I don't find this hilarious in the least. I talked to many maintainers in the first few years of its existence who truly benefited from the contributions. Nothing we ever di…

Exactly what I thought. I don't really care that digital ocean had "good intentions". The scheme is obviously abuseable and seems to have indeed wasted the time of a number of actual developers.

Re: One Guy Ruined Hacktoberfest 2020

#60

[edit: Possibly I'm being too hasty in recommending swearing off Open Source contributions. Go forth and contribute, I suppose :) Leaving my original comment below for completeness.] For other South Asian/Indian people like me, a pessimistic but practical counterpoint to this -- if you happen to be Indian and have a username that marks you as such, just lie low for a bit and don't contribute anything; especially duri…

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