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Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by coldpie »

branon wrote: post #46
coldpie wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They'll refuse to unlock physical devices while happily answering thousands of requests from the US and other govermnents for users' iCloud data[0]. They are required by law to do the latter. They are not required to to do the former (or at least are willing to go to court to defend that belief). > They also don't allow users to encrypt data stored in iCloud The article you linked does not back up this assertion. I…

I don't fully agree with your second point. The way iCloud on an iPhone works, users have no chance to encrypt data before uploading it. Most people are only tangentially aware of what data is siphoned automatically by the service. It would be the responsibility of the iCloud service to encrypt data (if Apple had chosen to do so, and a user opts in). Simply choosing not to delete encrypted blobs is not the same thing…

Apple altering their pro-privacy plans after strong pressure from a federal agency tells a very different story than the one you presented with your initial statement.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by clairity »

ignoramous wrote: post #11
ffpip wrote: post #8

Clicking on the link shown on the website assigns a unique ID to your version of Firefox downloaded from the playstore. Every user gets a unique ID. This ID is sent back to 'Adjust' when you install the app. So much for unfcking the internet. Hypocrisy everywhere.

Anonymous tracking is fine with them, I'd presume, and totally seems to be in line with Mozilla's stance, too, one would think. It isn't like their flagship product, Firefox, is free of all telemetry.

> "Anonymous tracking is fine with [Mozilla]..."

that seems to be a reasonable and consistent stance, but it's also reasonable for users to be skeptical of their anonymity claims as well as the implicit claim of being undeanonymizeable (what a mouthful) or having strict safeguards on potentially fingerprintable info.

i think branding around privacy (and secondarily security) is a good strategy for them (apple is effective with it), but mozilla really has to nail the messaging, not only for the public but for more-discerning technologists as well. so far, the compromising stance they've taken doesn't seem to be hitting the right chords all around.

my take is that they're messaging is too broad and diluted right now. for example, diversity and inclusion are great, but not for the mozila/firefox brand at its current (smaller) size. it just distracts from a core brand that should be laser-focused on privacy and security to set it in stark contrast with google & chrome (and to a lesser extent, apple & safari). that creates real market segmentation and shifts user choice-making to dimensions that favor mozilla/firefox. other (potential) brand values just don't do that for them.

and, they don't have the resources and reach (and reserve brand equity) of companies like google & apple to effectively deploy broad brand ideals. instead, they really need to focus narrowly on just privacy and security if they want to survive their mindshare/marketshare drought.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by SwiftyBug »

twsted wrote: post #45

I love Firefox but my personal "fight-for-diversity" is carried on through the use of Safari, which I consider the best browser, at least on the Mac. On Linux I use Firefox. On Windows I would use Firefox.

I wanted to try to move to Safari, but I use too much Firefox's containers feature. Is there a way I could have the same experience on Safari?

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by prophesi »

henil2911 wrote: post #40
ffpip wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. >only after asking for appropriate permission No. it's opt out. > which too is anonymous No >There is no firefox there are no forks That's one of the most important points.…

> Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. That was in reply to a comment which was deleted by the commenter. >only after asking for appropriate permission >No. it's opt out. Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just o…

> Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out.

Opt-out is still a dark pattern. For those who don't care about privacy, it should default to no data collection, with simple language detailing what will be collected, and what it's used for.

I'm still in your camp though in that I'd trust Mozilla to not sell my data and instead use it to only improve their products.

Re: Unfck the Internet

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Post by pixxel »

I’m struggling to stay loyal to Firefox. Mozilla feels like a bloated pig snuffling on Google’s handouts so that its many employees can enjoy a SV lifestyle. We just need devs and a designer or two to focus on Firefox.
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