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Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Re: Amazon details its low-bandwidth Sidewalk neighborhood network

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Post by mc32 »

ashtonkem wrote: post #19
heavyset_go wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is law enforcement just asking nicely for the video. They do this before getting a warrant because it is less work. If you don't comply, they'll just go to a judge and order Amazon to release it.

They should be universally told to pound sand without a warrant. You don’t give the armed representatives of the state everything they ask for just because they’re being polite; make them go through the proper procedures with oversight.

Probably when you know that your neighbor was burglarized or attacked, etc., you don’t want to impede the investigation. That’s worse than not taking care of your weeds or garbage in your yard in terms of getting along with neighbors.

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

I really want development in low-bandwidth network to accelerate, not because I want to switch ON my garden lights outside my WiFi range but I think it could deliver network access to remote location for education and communication.

Education has come to a standstill for marginalised communities in several parts of the world, online education has become a norm as access to devices/Internet has been taken for granted, but it is causing irreversible harm to those who were already at the receiving end of the inequality.

Obviously low-bandwidth network isn't going to deliver Zoom classes, but I think a combination of broadcasting educational content through traditional free-to-air television/radio and low-power computer on a low-bandwidth network for text communication with the educator can help deliver remote education for the underprivileged[1].

[1] https://needgap.com/problems/149-remote-education-for-underp...

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Post by asim »

Side note: Is it me or has Amazon been announcing a lot of things lately? I think the fact that Amazon is beginning to rule the fabric of the world and is controlled by the richest man in the world makes me slightly uneasy. I can't really place it right now but something tells me a decade from now this is going to be a big problem and they were just left unchecked to proliferate throughout the world until we became entirely dependent on them. Dictators and surveillance states often start in very non-obvious ways and most tend to not even see the issue when the exist within it. If the world is consumed by Amazon, what then?

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Post by kevincox »

cjsawyer wrote: post #30
anigbrowl wrote: post #20

Low bandwidth mesh networking is super interesting but I would prefer not to have it supplied by Buy'n'Large.

Who else has an install base like Amazon in their Alexas and Rings? No TinyCorp could just decide to roll out a service like this. One of the few upsides of having giant companies is seeing the work of their equally big R&D departments

You can imagine that instead of always being sent to Amazon the network could just pop out regular IP on the other end which would be routed to the service of the origin device's choice. Of course this does add more complexity such as abuse prevention but it would make the protocol attractive even if it was designed by Amazon.

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Post by kevincox »

gilad wrote: post #3

Are there legal implications on an ISP subscriber if illegal activity is conducted via their network? I would very much mind sharing a ‘small fraction of bandwidth’ while having arbitrarily large legal exposure.

Based on my reading of the article all traffic is sent to amazon. So presumably you won't get in trouble for trickling a small encrypted channel of data to Amazon.

Basically with the fixed Amazon endpoint it bypasses direct illegal activity and general network abuse. Of course this means that everything goes through Amazon and that if someone gets your IP from Amazon you still might have some difficulty.

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Post by walrus01 »

vaccinator wrote: post #43
walrus01 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who else has an install base like Amazon in their Alexas and Rings? a company like Arris that sells DOCSIS3/3.1 cablemodems and GPON end user CPEs to big ISPs like Shaw, Comcast, Charter, Wave/RCN, etc. The main problem with that concept is that if a manufacturer of residential CPEs such as Arris made a unilateral decision to incorporate the tech into their cablemodems and other devices, their $BIGISP customers mig…

Comcast already shares your internet connection with others if you rent your wifi router from them.

yes, one of the reasons why I recommend anyone with a comcast connection go buy their own modem and run it as a dumb L2 bridge, into a separate user owned router. For technical people who know what they're doing I'm really not a fan of the idea of the modem also being a router and wifi AP.

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Post by lxgr »

ForHackernews wrote: post #38
cjsawyer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who else has an install base like Amazon in their Alexas and Rings? No TinyCorp could just decide to roll out a service like this. One of the few upsides of having giant companies is seeing the work of their equally big R&D departments

Literally any major router brand?

That would require the capability to reliably and automatically push firmware updates out to existing devices, not something that I'd traditionally associate with home router manufacturers.

Also, at least in my experience, most private households just use the (usually horrible) ISP supplied CPE.

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Post by turing_complete »

asim wrote: post #53

Side note: Is it me or has Amazon been announcing a lot of things lately? I think the fact that Amazon is beginning to rule the fabric of the world and is controlled by the richest man in the world makes me slightly uneasy. I can't really place it right now but something tells me a decade from now this is going to be a big problem and they were just left unchecked to proliferate throughout the world until we became e…

Yeah, imagine if they were to improve our life even more!

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Post by asim »

turing_complete wrote: post #58
asim wrote: post #53

Side note: Is it me or has Amazon been announcing a lot of things lately? I think the fact that Amazon is beginning to rule the fabric of the world and is controlled by the richest man in the world makes me slightly uneasy. I can't really place it right now but something tells me a decade from now this is going to be a big problem and they were just left unchecked to proliferate throughout the world until we became e…

Yeah, imagine if they were to improve our life even more!

And this is the unfortunate dichotomy. We are thankful to our abusers. We often don't even understand how they are using us for their own benefits but we are grateful to them. Something is awry but because we are reaping the benefits now we're blind to it.
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