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How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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My life got a lot better after I stopped considering questions in terms of my own preferences and started considering them in terms of how they would connect me to others. I really don’t want to go out for drinks after work. But this preference is nothing compared to how much I value the friendships that come from doing it. Hiking a mountain is not in the top 100 things I want to do with my weekend. But a shared expe…

I have found the middle ground of turning down an activity I don’t like and propose something else at a different time, something both of us would enjoy.

Obviously not everything can be solved by this; but it works well for the human connections I value the most.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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I don’t think a soft vs hard no has much to do with respect (and I’m not sure why you think respectful working relationships aren’t possible). A hard no is just a definitive answer, and can be delivered as respectfully as you like. A soft no is usually an “I would if not for...”. Which some people will simply read as an invitation to remove blockers, or correct your mistaken prioritization decisions, so that you can…

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Preclude means to make impossible. I’ve also never in my rather long career noticed world affairs have a noticeable impact on my office culture. So I really do have no idea what you’re talking about.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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A brother of mine gave me an advice on this recently, goes like this: “just say no! After that find a reason why and give it, but first a no without thinking about it” I liked it

It doesn't seem constructive to always say "no" to things. "Yes" is how things get built. If you say "yes" to the right things, and then execute well, you'll go far in life. I'm not arguing against saying "no" to things, but a policy of blanket "no" will leave you pretty unfulfilled.

This is not an advice to say no, rather how to do it

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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> Before you say yes, pause The way I do this is respond with "Can I get back to you on that?" And perhaps append with "I need to check my schedule" or "check with my spouse, etc" And then make sure I do get back to them with an answer. When I make a snap response to a request, I often regret it because I haven't had time to think about the request and how to relates to my schedule, plans, interests, desire to help,…

At work, most requests come in through e-mail, IMs or tickets/tasks, which is great because it means I can let them simmer for a bit.

But then there's some colleagues who send me a DM with a "hi are you there / can I call you" because they have something that they want out of their system Right Now (with e-mail and co, you send, then the something remains in the background until replied; with a call it's a one off thing and they can move on).

And my first job had some of the worst; they'd send an e-mail, then a few minutes later give me a call "did you get my e-mail?" and repeat what was in there on the call. I mean come on. At least I can laugh about it now, and I didn't mind so much when I did it because it was a very er, dynamic job anyway.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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I am thinking about the bigger picture: what if functioning societies need people pleaser? For the individual it is not so good, but there should be an evolutionary reason why it exists (can also be a side effect of something else important of course).

It's not an absolute though; if you're a people pleaser you say 'yes' too much (and write yourself and your own interests off), but the opposite - rejecting everything - also isn't good. There is a balance, and everyone has to find it, set their own boundaries, manage their own time and energy.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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My life got a lot better after I stopped considering questions in terms of my own preferences and started considering them in terms of how they would connect me to others. I really don’t want to go out for drinks after work. But this preference is nothing compared to how much I value the friendships that come from doing it. Hiking a mountain is not in the top 100 things I want to do with my weekend. But a shared expe…

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Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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A concept that changed my life is the concept of 'emotional slavery' used in Marshall Rosenberg's Nonviolent Communication theory (NVC). He teaches that others are not always responsible for our feelings, and that we often feel the way we feel because an important universal human need is not met. Yet we are not taught to be aware of these feelings. He says that in our modern culture it's common for 1) men to be taught to deny their feelings and 2) women to be taught to deny their needs.

By listening to his talks and his audiobooks and using the definitions, frameworks and spiritual ideas behind NVC, I started to become more aware of the strategies I came to use, and the potential for evolving those.

Rosenberg believes that the adoption of NVC comes in three steps that we can all go through once we start applying his ideas. It starts with 1) 'emotional slavery' - where we are unaware of how we blame everything on others and make them wrong for what they do. Second we go through the 'obnoxious phase' where we feel angry when we become aware of our slavery ways, and where we realize that we might have been stuck in various strategies where we also thought we were responsible for others' feelings and needs. We are angry because we want that to change. Lastly comes 'emotional liberation', where we are learning to better understand our feelings and unmet needs and where we can start asking for what we want.

I practiced NVC together with my ex-partner, and in my eyes we both grew our self-awareness enourmously.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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I suffered from this in way I can barely explain. Recently I came to a place where I thought that 'if' you live your life like an adventure where anything you do has to be very exciting, than a yes means you really want to do, not just a 'why not' but something that tickles your soul. And a no was the reflection of that, "I could come, and do that, but it will be boring in a way and I'll only be a ghost which would be a shame for my existence and yours". Kinda like a contrast amplifier to filter out the noise in the middle. Well now that I think of it.. it's a bit like analog vs binary.

ps: it may sound maniacal to always strive for deep excitement, but you can suffer from the dullness of things you don't enjoy .. you lose yourself seriously and socially people start to see you as the dull thing making half smiles. It's a 10fold loss at every stages.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Book recommendations in that respect: - "No more Mr. Nice Guy" Robert A. Glover: A great book on identification and elimination of nice guy behaviors with lots of exercises. - "When I say no I feel guilty" Manuel J. Smith: Techniques with lots of examples on how to stay assertive and deal with attempts to manipulate you into doing something. Relevant for dealing with colleagues, spouses, shop clerks, ... There are ot…

I've never heard of Robert A. Glover but the book sounds very interesting. Man, the GoodReads reviews are getting destroyed.

If you're unsure, he is sometimes a podcast guest. The book shares the same honest and vulnerable tone of his conversations.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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My life got a lot better after I stopped considering questions in terms of my own preferences and started considering them in terms of how they would connect me to others. I really don’t want to go out for drinks after work. But this preference is nothing compared to how much I value the friendships that come from doing it. Hiking a mountain is not in the top 100 things I want to do with my weekend. But a shared expe…

I've done the opposite. I used to do a lot of stuff I didn't want to just because it was a social norm I was afraid to break. I thought I valued the friendships so much that it was worth it but it made my life a misery.

I've realized that social relationships are simply not that important to me.

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