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Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

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Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#51
> recommendations can be delightful

They are really not. I struggle pages after pages to find something interesting. And then days later i stumble on a link that has interesting stuff randomly. Even search is bad. And there's always the knowledge that google is censoring stuff and manipulating people.

There's definitely space for better youtube/video recommendation site.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#52

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

It's ironic to see a complaint that youtube recommendations are stale, in the comments of a complaint that they lead people to discover offensive things. Can't have it both ways. Either you let people discover new things (some of which might be offensive) or not.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#53

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

I use YouTube infrequently. Usually for binging random content like comedy sketches or speedrunning. No matter what I'm on, there's always a few videos in my recommendations that make no sense and look like trash. Not generically, but specific videos that ALWAYS appear. One of them is "I PAID FIVE BASSISTS ON FIVR TO PLAY AN IMPOSSIBLE BASSLINE" ... Why is this so bad? What are your hundreds of data scientists doing?

I'd say there's definitely a lot of "LOOK AT MY YOUTUBE SEO TITLE" but in actuality that bassist guy is really good and generally plays some great riffs.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#54

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

It's ironic to see a complaint that youtube recommendations are stale, in the comments of a complaint that they lead people to discover offensive things. Can't have it both ways. Either you let people discover new things (some of which might be offensive) or not.

Just because every now and then it shows something interesting or different doesn't mean that they aren't stale for the most part.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#56
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use YouTube infrequently. Usually for binging random content like comedy sketches or speedrunning. No matter what I'm on, there's always a few videos in my recommendations that make no sense and look like trash. Not generically, but specific videos that ALWAYS appear. One of them is "I PAID FIVE BASSISTS ON FIVR TO PLAY AN IMPOSSIBLE BASSLINE" ... Why is this so bad? What are your hundreds of data scientists doing?

They stop appearing if you specifically mark them as not interested

The fact that feature exists shows that even YouTube know their algorithm needs help.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ironic to see a complaint that youtube recommendations are stale, in the comments of a complaint that they lead people to discover offensive things. Can't have it both ways. Either you let people discover new things (some of which might be offensive) or not.

Just because every now and then it shows something interesting or different doesn't mean that they aren't stale for the most part.

This misses my point entirely. I'm not commenting on whether youtube recommendations are stale or not. I'm pointing out that it's contradictory to complain both that the recommendations are too stale and that people discover offensive things.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#58

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

I found Youtube recommendations are much better than recommendations at other places. Eg. Netflix. When I say recommendation, I mean - "Helping me with discovery of new stuff". They also have a problem - they keep showing what I already have seen - I don't know - whether this is by design or a bug.

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#59

What's impressive to me is that YouTube Recommendation are so ... stale. All it recommends to me is content from the same 3 categories, and the same videos over and over and over (you would think if I didn't click on the suggestion in the past 6 months it would adjust). Now the topics it recommends to me are non-political, but I can very well see that if you fall down one of more extremist rabbit holes thats all you…

I use YouTube infrequently. Usually for binging random content like comedy sketches or speedrunning. No matter what I'm on, there's always a few videos in my recommendations that make no sense and look like trash. Not generically, but specific videos that ALWAYS appear. One of them is "I PAID FIVE BASSISTS ON FIVR TO PLAY AN IMPOSSIBLE BASSLINE" ... Why is this so bad? What are your hundreds of data scientists doing?

> "use YouTube infrequently"

> "binging random content"

gets recommended random popular content

> "why are recommendations so bad"

They can't read your mind, you know

Re: Mozilla Is Crowdsourcing Research into YouTube Recommendations

#60
post #56
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They stop appearing if you specifically mark them as not interested

The fact that feature exists shows that even YouTube know their algorithm needs help.

Everyone lauds TikTok’s algorithm for some reason, but they have the same thing and it seems just as worthless there.
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