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Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix, see how far off the rails the industry has gone, then come back and tell me that Apple is the bad guy here. Someone needs to start standing up for what’s right, and Apple is probably the only one with the size and cash reserves to be able to do it. For all the free market cheerleaders, remember this: we already have laws in place preventing or regulating businesses from engaging…

Apple cares so much they will take 30% of those loot box profits.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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> And give me a fucking break with bringing the pandemic into this. It’s especially infuriating coming from Facebook, of all companies. Maybe if they weren’t the main vector for the disinformation and anti-science nonsense that has prolonged the pandemic by turning it into a needless culture war, their “concern” would ring more true.

If companies are responsible for the content posted on their platforms, wouldn't that make iPhone the main vector? Especially since they take the most active filtering stance for any app onto their device.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're 100% right. Everything Apple does can be construed as "abuse" if someone is willing to argue in bad faith. iOS now tells you when one app pastes content from the clipboard, if the contents of the clipboard came from another app. e.g., You copy a zip code from Messages, and then switch to the "HN-Maps" app. If HN-Maps sniffs the clipboard in order to suggest that zip code as a destination, you see a notificatio…

> iOS now tells you when one app pastes content from the clipboard, if the contents of the clipboard came from another app. Does it do that for all apps, or only non-Apple-apps?

You'd expect first-party apps to handle this properly. The intention is that you probe the clipboard metadata (which doesn't display this warning) to see if the clipboard looks like it might be useful to you - and then act (or offer to act) if it does.

So first-party apps should have bought into the data-detectors stuff wholesale.

An example of this would be the url bar in Safari. If you try to paste into the address bar, you'll be offered "Paste and go" if the clipboard offers a url-like object, and "Paste and search" if it's a non-url stringy object. You'll get the "Safari has pasted from Mail" warning after you select one of these, because the contents were not exposed during the metadata operations. This is the expected behaviour.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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I find this article stupid for the primary reason that everyone has been absolutely bending over backwards to justify Apple's stance vs Epic, where everyone's argument in favor of Apple comes down to a pro-capitalist, dog-eat-dog, "if you don't like it, don't buy it" type of thing. But for other apps actually powering the iPhone's popularity, this argument is completely absent, and by behaving the same way, these companies are "dickheads." The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

Would you have bought these items otherwise? If the answer is no, then you were "sucked in". Google AdWords was great, you search for product X you definitely wanted to buy X, that's reasonable personalization. Now they want to know who you are, so they can optimize manipulatating you to want X even if you didn't before you saw their ad. There's a big difference between the two type of advertising, although they're b…

None of the items were life or death essentials. These were things like protein cookies, pet-themed gifts, exercise equipment, etc. I wouldn’t have bought them if I never saw the ads.

But wanting and needing are different things. I wouldn’t consider it manipulation to show me something I might be interested in that I wouldn’t have known about otherwise. For instance, I just discovered (via ads) the galaxy night light trend and I’m now thinking it might be fun to get one.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's completely justified in context. Nobody could be mislead into thinking that "Vitamin Water" is a healthy drink. Same level of idiotic justification for the detriment of the consumer.

> It's completely justified in context. Personal abuse like this is never justified. We should always challenge it when we see it.

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Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

You may see it that way, but the overall effect of this on humanity is bad (see https://voxeu.org/article/advertising-major-source-human-dis...).

From my experience, I don't enjoy relentless targeted pressure to give up my money for goods I don't really need. I don't like wasting precious time consuming adverts, each braying for my attention in one way or another. I don't think it's ethical treatment of impulsive types and folks who are less aware of what's really happening them. Interestingly, I have felt less pressure to buy anything since installing advert blockers and ignoring TV. I remember feeling strong sensations that I needed to buy a new phone, that I needed to upgrade my PC. Now I've had the same phone for four years and a PC for even longer. Those pressures and sensations are gone and my wallet thanks me.

A strong case could be made that little would be lost to the world if we banned advertising outright. Also consider, it would be better if we could be recommended goods and services by those who don't have a financial incentive from the providers of goods and services.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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Watch “The Social Dilemma” on Netflix, see how far off the rails the industry has gone, then come back and tell me that Apple is the bad guy here. Someone needs to start standing up for what’s right, and Apple is probably the only one with the size and cash reserves to be able to do it. For all the free market cheerleaders, remember this: we already have laws in place preventing or regulating businesses from engaging…

You've clearly never played Fortnite. Epic doesn't sell loot boxes, they sell skins. You get exactly what you pay for, there is nothing sketchy about it.

While I agree it’s not sketchy in that you get what you pay for, the true cost of what you are paying is obfuscated casino-style from their player base, which is mostly kids. Case in point, my son will want to spend 2500 vbucks on a skin until I put that into real dollars for him - “are you sure, that’s $25 of your money” (a bit less with package bonuses notwithstanding).

Perhaps this is my penance for working on FarmVille and Zynga Poker back in the day.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

But can't you still have that same experience? Isn't Apple simply requiring Instagram to ask you if would like to be tracked?

It does annoy me that this isn't mentioned more often. Apple aren't taking this away, they're enabling the user to opt-out.

That these are almost constantly being stated as the same thing, only shows that the vast majority of users do not want to be tracked, and the vast majority of adtech has no respect for the user's wishes. If neither of these were true, having the option would not be an issue.

Re: Dickhead of the Week: Instagram CEO Adam Mosseri

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post #15

I might be one of the few, but I like the ads I see on Instagram and have purchased lots of things via IG ads. I can’t think of any other app/site where the ads have sucked me in. I realize this is besides the point, but I thought it was worth sharing in terms of how they might be doing personalization. For me, it’s so good that it actually works.

But can't you still have that same experience? Isn't Apple simply requiring Instagram to ask you if would like to be tracked?

I added “beside the point” because I believe so, yeah.
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