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Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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post #24

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What kind of targets is he accused of targetting?

Are there "kinds" that are not covered by the law and are more okay to have their rights abused?

I have no idea (I'm Swedish, not Danish) what all of this is about. That's why I'm asking. I don't like what you're implying.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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This is a seriously nutty belief, that you claim to have. This year the increase in our military spending was bigger than Russia's entire military spending. We could cut our military budget in half and still dwarf China's.

Hah, what is funny is that you think military spending amounts means much at all. First of all, there’s asymmetrical warfare. Russia’s investment in cyber, hypersonic, etc. China’s investment in medium range missiles to create access denial for the US in the pacific. Plus factor in that the US budget is bloated because of these corrupt fat cat defense industry companies, huge waste, etc...

Given US foreign and economic policy intent on dominating every corner of the planet [0] and the universe [1], could you blame China, Russia, or any other country for doing everything they can to reach parity with the US?

Giving up all your rights in the name of endless wars on everything is a path to a sad ending for the US and the world.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-spectrum_dominance

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarisation_of_space#United...

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a seriously nutty belief, that you claim to have. This year the increase in our military spending was bigger than Russia's entire military spending. We could cut our military budget in half and still dwarf China's.

Hah, what is funny is that you think military spending amounts means much at all. First of all, there’s asymmetrical warfare. Russia’s investment in cyber, hypersonic, etc. China’s investment in medium range missiles to create access denial for the US in the pacific. Plus factor in that the US budget is bloated because of these corrupt fat cat defense industry companies, huge waste, etc...

...Russia...China...

Wow their military must be much smarter than ours. Or perhaps they are held responsible for their performance?

...US budget is bloated because of these corrupt fat cat defense industry companies, huge waste, etc...

So... does all of this argue for more or less civilian oversight?

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

#54
post #21

Intelligence agencies in Nordic countries are really small, just few hundreds people per agency and limited budgets. Even if they go rouge, what they can do is limited. Number of people in the field is even smaller. This creates problems of it's own because their counterparts quickly learn to recognize their faces. For comparison, FBI Counterintelligence Division alone has 1-2 people per 10,000 Americans. Add differe…

The US is invading, bombing or financing a civil war in a random country every few years, while Denmark are at the corner of the map. Are you going to compare the threat models of the two?

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

#55
post #3

Could you imagine a government agency spying on its own citizens? In America that would be illegal and unconstitutional. We would have to immediately defund that agency.

The sentiment was that the agencies would only look outward, but in reality the problem is mostly insider threat.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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post #3

Could you imagine a government agency spying on its own citizens? In America that would be illegal and unconstitutional. We would have to immediately defund that agency.

How would they track all the white supremacists?

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

#57
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of targets is he accused of targetting?

Danish citizens which is only allowed to be done by the police. And withholding of information to be reported.

Is it related to that Iranian kidnapping plot that led to Denmark being shut down for a while the other year? (Only because it's the most dramatic thing to happen there in a bunch of years, that would be related to the intelligence service.)

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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post #33

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> Intelligence services have had a tangible effect on world history.[1][2][3] You forgot the most important: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway >Military historian John Keegan called it "the most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare",[9] [...] Most significantly, American cryptographers were able to determine the date and location of the planned attack, enabling the forewarned U.S. N…

Good one. There are many more, I'm sure.

The Dutch intelligence service helped Britain crack Argentinian crypto during the Falklands War.

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

#59
post #7

When I read about western intelligence agencies, one can't help but look at the last decade or so and ask, what was it they said their job was again, specifically?

You only need to look into the Danish investigation of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 to know, if anyone in the intelligence community, they know their stuff.

Can you expand on that, it sounds interesting

Re: Head of Danish intelligence suspended after whistleblowers hand over information

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> Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the views being parodied. The original statement, by Nathan Poe, read: > Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to pa…

How old was Nathan Poe when he wrote that?

;)
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