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Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Do we really need to pay for an electric grid that can handle a once every 20 year load?

Do you really need to pay for house wiring that can handle a once every 20 year load? Pretty sure you would change your tune when the wiring melts in one of your walls.

This is why houses have circuit breakers, which are functionally identical to the load shedding we had last night ...

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

That's just your human brain succumbing to its recency bias. As someone who has been around for way too many decades, it was like this in the 70's, 80's, 90's, 00's. And corruption is way down from say the early 1900's (don't even talk about the 1800's where it was odd for a politician to not be corrupt). And your "save the world from fascism" happened at the same time most of the US was segregated.

Much of, not most. Jim Crow South was never a majority of the country, and racism in the north was much more implicit, segregation was never formal.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And inequality is up since the 70's, as are housing, health care and cost of living expenses, while wages have remained stagnant for nearly 50 years.

Sure, you can cherry pick certain statistics for any period. That doesn’t tell you anything. My point was, the US is not falling apart. Or if it is, it’s always been falling apart. The current situation is not unique.

> Sure, you can cherry pick certain statistics for any period. That doesn’t tell you anything.

I'm curious what this is supposed to tell you, then:

> And corruption is way down from say the early 1900's (don't even talk about the 1800's where it was odd for a politician to not be corrupt).

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

> 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-( It was mainly Russia who did that. The US effort may well have saved Europe from Communism though.

Thanks for that, btw.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Where is all the load coming from? Aren't most of the office building (in the Bay Area) empty rightnow due to Covid?

As with other impacts of shutdown and quarantine, shifts in demand and consumption patterns can mean that infrastructure isn't able to supply electricity to where it's specifically needed. It's been pointed out that electricity is not storable --- it's less an energy store as with fuel and far more energy distribution as with a transmission or driveshaft, but with far more connections. Not only must the Grid make power available when it is needed, but it must do so where.

Peak daytime demands in urban cores, offices, and factories is different from peak demands in residential exurbs, purely on distribution, even if quantity is comparable.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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We're going to need lots of power grid upgrades over the next few decades, for all the new air conditioning (climate change), and the electrification of heat and transportation (trying to avoid climate change.)

Are these upgrades even in the planning phase? People will be hesitant to migrate away from fossil fuels if they can't trust the alternative.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

Maybe it just isn't possible with such a large population. On the other hand, US gives you the opportunity to become filthy rich and it probably helps that you have such a large population to use to your advantage (whether it be labor or customers).

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And inequality is up since the 70's, as are housing, health care and cost of living expenses, while wages have remained stagnant for nearly 50 years.

Healthcare costs are up, but you don’t have to worry about dying from a scraped knee. This is by far the greatest era to be alive. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling you something.

> Healthcare costs are up, but you don’t have to worry about dying from a scraped knee.

As an American, you just need to worry about dying from incredibly common and treatable diseases like cancer, heart disease or diabetes due to lack of treatment. If you show up to an emergency room without insurance or ability to pay and expect chemo or a supply of insulin or blood pressure medication, you're out of luck.

My grandfather who fought in foxholes in South Pacific jungles didn't have to worry about dying from a scraped knee, either.

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this. I’m seeing this sentiment expressed more and more, and it seriously concerns me. If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top. This isn’t blind patriotism. Seriously if you are feeling like the US is becoming a…

> I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this.

I have traveled extensively throughout the world and my assessment was based on my personal experience. But...

> If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top.

Not so.

The U.S. is a peer to Serbia in infant mortality [1]. It is behind India and Lithuania in terms political freedom and civil liberties (as rated by freedomhouse [2] [3]) and a peer to Chile in terms of economic freedom [4] and government corruption [5]. The U.S. ranks 38th in math and 24th in science education.

And an anecdotal but IMHO significant data point: I have lived in the U.S. for fifty years. I have NEVER had a piece of U.S. mail go missing, until this year, when I have had THREE checks vanish into the cosmic void. (The fact that paper checks are even still a thing here is a testament to how far behind we have fallen.)

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[1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/infant-mo...

[2] https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores?sort...

[3] https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores?sort...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_...

[5] https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corruption-rank

[6] https://parentology.com/stem-education-statistics-2019-how-t...

Re: California issues first rolling blackouts since 2001

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The entire U.S. is feeling more and more like a third-world country. Corrupt government. Unreliable and deteriorating infrastructure. Extreme poverty (I recently learned that 30% of houses on Indian reservations don't have running water). Marginalization or even outright vilification of intellectuals. 75 years ago we saved the world from fascism. Who is going to save us from ourselves? :-(

I would highly encourage you to reassess where you are getting your information about the world if you genuinely believe this. I’m seeing this sentiment expressed more and more, and it seriously concerns me. If you look at the data, almost any data which compares the US to other countries, you’ll see that the US is at or near the top. This isn’t blind patriotism. Seriously if you are feeling like the US is becoming a…

> This isn’t blind patriotism.

Maybe it's just ignorance then. Quality of life in Northern Europe is far better than it ever was in California, which in retrospect looks like a joke.

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