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Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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Sigh. Looks like Mozilla management hasn’t been able to sense the zeitgeist, after their latest downsizing, so let me spell it out for them: Dear Moz://a management: Everyone is already on board with your ideals of open Internet. What you need to do is get your house in order and focus on your core competency i.e. the web browser and related tooling. You won’t get a seat at the table of Internet biggies if you’re a h…

moz management is how they got here in the first place. They hire through nepotism and pay themselves lavish salaries. No incentive but to just coast and keep calling themselves fighters of systemic racism and freedom saviors of the internet.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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The Mozilla Manifesto is very weird when you consider the context. Mozilla as we know it exists solely because Google needs a shield against antitrust investigations, and having a "competitor" browser that only takes 5% of the browser market is why Google pays Mozilla the majority of its revenue. Firefox is literally sponsored by Chrome.

I don’t know if you heard the news but they just stopped. Also Mozilla existed quite a while before Chrome.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

#53

The Mozilla Manifesto is very weird when you consider the context. Mozilla as we know it exists solely because Google needs a shield against antitrust investigations, and having a "competitor" browser that only takes 5% of the browser market is why Google pays Mozilla the majority of its revenue. Firefox is literally sponsored by Chrome.

I don’t know if you heard the news but they just stopped. Also Mozilla existed quite a while before Chrome.

Renewed: https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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I _want_ to use Firefox, and Mozilla's kit but every single time I've come onboard after watching improvements etc I get shafted by updates which change major things every few weeks, this is mostly around Firefox having constantly had a different URL bar every update and them removing the ability to search for preferences in my preference list. It feels like they are fighting my ability to make Firefox exactly how I…

If you want less frequent updates but a very stable build I'd suggest tying Firefox ESR.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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How does partnering with Pocket promote the open web? How does the iRobot stunt align with the manifesto? Mozilla use to live and breath the open web, now they are just empty platitudes like Facebook and Google's commitment to privacy.

> iRobot stunt

You mean Mr Robot, right?

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is may look like the reasonable compromise on the surface but it really isn't. Manifestos are about principles not pragmatic approaches, taking a stance is not free or easy, look at the stance RMS takes on open source and GPL for example. Had RMS and other pioneers in the open source movement did not take such ideologically driven stance at the expense of pragmatism , we may have parts of BSD maybe today but not t…

I've never heard any person outside of tech forums complain about Firefox's default search engine being Google. Even those people who are privacy conscious who complain about google and facebook privacy all the time. Not once in so many years have they complained about Firefox privacy, in fact the opposite sentiment is prevailing among those people. I don't think Firefox is failing to retain market share because thei…

I really don't think Chrome has a better product because of the outspending for technical work . Firefox post quantum is on par and in some features actually better browser than Chrome.

If it all took was money to spend build , Microsoft would still be doing building Edge , they have deep enough pockets and it was technically really good product, scored most in standards compliance etc.

Google makes sure it apps work very well with Chrome, apps that is used by a lot of people daily. Youtube on Firefox is/was a good example of this bias. When most of the time you spend on the web is on google sites, if they don't perform well on Firefox you will switch to Chrome.

Google uses its dominating market share in Chrome to implement features way before it becomes standard or is agreed, this forces web developers to adopt these non standard features to compete in the market. AMP is typical example of this kind of abuse. You don't really have a choice but to make your site work very well which google products and Chrome.

Firefox and other players are forced to redo their work. A recent example of this is Edge redoing their ORTC implementation to kind WebRTC implemented in Firefox/Chrome, ORTC was a simpler better implementation but Edge had no choice to switch directions for compat reasons) or they have play catch up to Chrome, it is always moving target. This kind of market abuse is not new, Microsoft did it when IE was at its peak, it is way to keep your dominating market share by ensuring competition keeps following you not lead you.

Firefox is always going to lag in some areas unless they can get large enough market share to pull their own way like before. They need to find areas where they can shine, real privacy and trust is one reason for the 9% share they still have, Servo/rust was a route to really out perform the bloat Chrome is today and truly leverage multi-threaded concurrent performance . MDN was great way to build brand with developers who can make sure their apps work in their browser. These were couple of the projects killed.

GNU utils are building blocks for so many commonly used products today. GNU and GPL found support where it mattered with developers. OS X or Chrome OS or Android or iOS or of course Linux directly runn code written in GNU projects many times code written in 80's by Stallman.

Firefox should be focusing on being developer friendly, projects like positron the electron competitor should have been funded and invested far more and led the way. Had firefox developed a better electron than electron perhaps they would be gaining new kinds of market from having saying Slack developed on top it instead of chrome based electron.

There are people who use Firefox on mobile because it is the only browser to support ad-blocking on mobile , building a unique value proposition and carving a large enough user base for that usecase will allow them to survive.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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Does Mozilla even follow their own Manifesto? > Individuals’ security and privacy on the Internet are fundamental and must not be treated as optional. So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? > Free and open source software promotes the development of the Internet as a public resource. We are still waiting for Pocket's server source code... > Magnifying the public benefit aspec…

> So having Google as the default search engine is the right approach for privacy? That's not their entire approach to privacy. How would you have them exist? There aren't enough people willing to pay for a web browser in 2020. There aren't enough unpaid volunteers to work for free and outcompete Chrome. What would you have Mozilla do? They're trying to develop other services that can actually make them money so they…

They are more concerned with their public image than innovating. Hence why there are so many defenders of them because their marketing works so well to the tech crowd (just spam "privacy", "freedom", "open source").

There's no grand strategy one can come up with instantly, but their corporate leadership stifled any chance Mozilla could discover the right angles to innovate. With $500M a year, they could've had a sea of strike teams clawing its way towards the right answer. But alas, any such group would suffocate under a top-heavy culture more interested in their image.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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> What would you have Mozilla do? They're trying to develop other services that can actually make them money so they don't need Google's money to exist, and people here are shitting on them left and right for this. charge businesses for Firefox Enterprise Edition, that way businesses are paying for support and funds development towards Firefox.

Do entreprises get charged more for edge or chrome similar business options? Competing with free is hard.

Google Chrome Enterprise exists for this purpose [0].

[0] https://chromeenterprise.google/

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if you heard the news but they just stopped. Also Mozilla existed quite a while before Chrome.

Renewed: https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...

Collect the $500M ad money and then turn around and claim Google is evil and they are the only company fighting for internet freedom and world peace.

Re: The Mozilla Manifesto

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post #29

How does partnering with Pocket promote the open web? How does the iRobot stunt align with the manifesto? Mozilla use to live and breath the open web, now they are just empty platitudes like Facebook and Google's commitment to privacy.

> iRobot stunt You mean Mr Robot, right?

I do, thanks for correcting me.
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