Once all tesla vehicles use starlink for sending back data to Tesla HQ I'm not sure much will be left for 'rural' broadband.
Nice to pick up the grants though.
Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
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#52Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…
Weren't they also going to track airplanes with it, to avoid new mh-370 cases where they don't know where it went and where it crashed?
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#53Anyone complaining about this has never experienced the frustration of rural living when it comes to internet. This is absolutely amazing, and it will just get better.
Even a reliable 10mbps would be a godsend in many places.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
And even in remote areas, building out VDSL2 networks with relatively decent speeds (200Mbps down and 100Mbps up[1]) would be better, honestly. Most homes already have a phone line and can support a DSL network... and in some countries a phone line is mandated by law, so the infrastructure already exists. But, DSL is not nearly as "sexy" as thousands of satellites... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDSL#:~:text=VDS…
I haven't personally deployed VDSL2, but I have deployed DSL and other data-over-twisted pair systems including recent G.fast, G.hn and MOCA. I strongly doubt that VDSL can achieve those kinds of speeds reliably at the distances and densities needed to provide this service to the areas that need it most. In rural areas the copper lines are too long and too old to achieve these speeds (but they're fine for voice/POTS,…
What about VDSL2 Vectoring (G.vector)? Seems like it mitigates most of the crosstalk problems - but I admit I'm not an expert on DSL deployments.
It seems VDSL2 can achieve maximum throughput at run lengths under 1000ft from the DSLAM, with maximum performance beginning to degrade after. That sounds sufficient for most of the people currently stuck with slow access right now in the US (more rural areas outside major cities, but not actually remote as-in nearest neighbor is 1 mile away).
Also... surely solving this problem is cheaper than sending thousands of satellites into orbit every few years as they decay.
Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#55Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…
Weren't they also going to track airplanes with it, to avoid new mh-370 cases where they don't know where it went and where it crashed?
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Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#56Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…
If the price is 5 times cheaper though... what then?
Re: Beta users of Starlink get downloads of 11 to 60 Mbps
#57Starlink internet is not meant to replace hard line internet. There is no getting around the physics of cable being so much cheaper/easier. Even terrestrial cell towers are more efficient and cheaper than satellites. This is 100% meant to supplement existing infrastructure not to replace it. You will almost always get cheaper and faster internet (for both you and the company providing internet) over a cable to your h…
I think you're underestimating the number of people that live in places where cell companies don't want to be arsed to build a tower.
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#58This is awesome to hear. This will enable more people to move out to more remote places and get some nice speeds. 60MB/s is good enough for most remote work and TV streaming services. I can't wait to see what the major players will respond to this if it's opened up to major cities.
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#59just to do some napkin maths, the entire constellation is supposed to be 12k satellites. Some googling gives 20Gbps throughput per satellite, so that'd be about 240k Gbps per second.
Now of course the satellites keep exchanging information themselves and not all satellites are everywhere all the time but ignoring that, and let's say you can assume ten times as much bandwidth because not everyone is online at the same time, that still doesn't serve a lot of people right?
If you go with their eventual Gigabit speed claims that'd work out to about 2 million customers if I didn't make an error. That's only a single digit percentage of the American rural population let alone anywhere else in the world.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m still not sure we won’t get develop Kessler Syndrome (runaway debris situation in LEO) so let’s hope you are right.
LEO is not as much of a problem as higher orbits. At the height that Starlink operates unpropelled debris falls out of the sky relatively quickly due to drag.
The greater the surface area the quicker the decay. So if these satellites naturally fall after 3-5 years that means that if they somehow collided with each other creating millions of pieces of debris they would clear out with in less than a year because of the loss of energy during the collisions and the increased surface area.