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Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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Fascinating analogy. Given the fundamental differences between corporations and governments (and the span of control they have over people’s lives) I do not believe this analogy can be used for any useful inference. It’s almost as if this example with app stores is an incredibly specific, narrow example, and government control in this way is incredibly broad in impact (I.e. life or death, end of the actual world etc)…

> Given the fundamental differences between corporations and governments I disagree with that line. I feel like people are desperate for there to be a difference based on some 9th grade civics class, or because an animated anthropomorphic piece of paper sang to them about bills in elementary school. The British East India company had the power to jail and kill, for centuries. The Head of the Executive Branch is the C…

Very interesting comment.

The statement was written with the lens of very different goals (corporations maximize profit within the context of selling goods and services where governments - usually, serve the people sufficiently to maintain control & power over its people by being “great leaders”).

Corporations usually sell goods and services, but do not have control over individuals most fundamental rights including those of freedom, health or even life - like governments often do. Corporations also rarely have militaries nor are the final backstop for when disagreements occur.

Your example is interesting because it compares probably the most government like corporation to ever exist (the Dutch East India Company) and the most “nurfed” head of state by most metrics to ever exist (I.e. the least powerful relative to power of the nation - the American President, while being the head of the largest economically and most powerful country, role by role is quite restricted and limited in scope and control by design of the founding fathers).

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

#52

I honestly did not even think Apple Music was on Android. Are their other services there too, such as TV, News, etc? EDIT: Yep, the only 3 apps from Apple are: Music, Beats and "Move to iOS"

While Google publishes every app they make on iOS, because that's the best way they can gain access to user data there.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #43

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Under Apple's clarified guidelines, if a University put out a remote learning app to help students deal with the pandemic better than a browser solution, Apple would be entitled to 30% of each user's tuition. Once they have a few slow quarters and pull the lever on taking a cut of app mediated real-world services, we may see 10-30% of each Taxi ride going to Apple.

> Under Apple's clarified guidelines, if a University put out a remote learning app to help students deal with the pandemic better than a browser solution, Apple would be entitled to 30% of each user's tuition. I think they have mechanisms for distributing apps within an organization.

Would you care to clarify?

Do you mean that universities can distribute iOS apps to iOS devices without using the App Store?

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

#55
post #7

Apple and Google are similar to China and America. Apple has more restrictive policies within a walled garden. Google gives more freedoms but its platform is wild and open. It's easy for Apple to take advantage of Google's ecosystem and open policies, but very difficult for Google to do the same to Apple. It's similar to how US companies don't get a fair shake in China. And in both, the citizens get taken advantage o…

lol, Googles platform is "wild and open"? Oh boy, you have never experienced the Windows phone/mobile app store...

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #40

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> Given the fundamental differences between corporations and governments I disagree with that line. I feel like people are desperate for there to be a difference based on some 9th grade civics class, or because an animated anthropomorphic piece of paper sang to them about bills in elementary school. The British East India company had the power to jail and kill, for centuries. The Head of the Executive Branch is the C…

The British East India company was a government actor. It’s silly to consider them otherwise simply because it was technically a “joint-stock company.” It was part of the government. Wikipedia even notes: > Originally chartered as the "Governor and Company of Merchants of London Trading into the East-Indies"

> It was part of the government.

It was not. It did not answer to Parliament, only to its shareholders. It has the best of both worlds though, because many powerful MPs were shareholders. So they got govt protection without govt oversight.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #44
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Apple and Google are similar to China and America. Apple has more restrictive policies within a walled garden. Google gives more freedoms but its platform is wild and open. It's easy for Apple to take advantage of Google's ecosystem and open policies, but very difficult for Google to do the same to Apple. It's similar to how US companies don't get a fair shake in China. And in both, the citizens get taken advantage o…

The idea that a person’s country of origin, where all laws and political dynamics are compulsory at birth, is somehow equivalent to the luxury item that is an iPhone is... bananas. Me thinks you stretch too far. Edit: ‘equivalent‘ should be ‘comparable’... obviously the OP is not saying they are equivalent.

" is somehow equivalent to the luxury item that is an iPhone"

A mobile phone is not a 'luxury' - it's almost an essential good these days.

Even without that, an iPhone doesn't meet the criteria of 'luxury good'. It's just a little more expensive.

Android and iOS have an important market locked down, it's time for some basic regulation.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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The usual discussion on this topic goes like this: Apple defenders - It is their right to do it, since Android store allows them. Others - Apple is being a hypocrite. While they maintain that app store must be compensated for all the services they do to developers, When given a chance they do not agree with their above statement. I feel w.r.t app stores, Google is User-centric, but Apple is Apple-Centric at the expen…

> Google is User-centric

You give far too much credit to the world's largest advertising company and probably the world's biggest corporate/private holder of personal and tracking data on the human population.

Any suggestion of an altruistic motive behind any Google policy/practice/implementation is disingenuous at best.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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post #37

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What is the difference between an app asking for your cc number and a web page? Do you wish Mozilla was a payment processor and you couldn't pay for netflix without giving Mozilla a cut? What about google? What if in order to sell you an iphone as a non mac user your browser vendor required Apple to give them 30% of the purchase price? What if they refused to render pages that tried to work around this? What id your…

Okay, here it is: I want to have single place to manage my payments. As a user, I wouldn't care about the implementation. I wouldn't care about Apple's, Mozilla's or Google's cut. Not good business for you? Tough luck(unless I really want your product, then maybe adjust the price accordingly). What is the difference between App and Website asking for CC? No difference, I hate them both. As a developer I agree that we…

But how does allowing third party in-app payments remove your ability to use Apple Pay? Apple could even force developers to include Apple Pay but at a 30% markup.

Re: Apple Music on Android asks user's card details to avoid Google's 30% cut

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> Under Apple's clarified guidelines, if a University put out a remote learning app to help students deal with the pandemic better than a browser solution, Apple would be entitled to 30% of each user's tuition. I think they have mechanisms for distributing apps within an organization.

Would you care to clarify? Do you mean that universities can distribute iOS apps to iOS devices without using the App Store?

Yeah that’s how companies like grocery stores that use iOS based devices for inventory management load their apps.
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