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"Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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I wonder if Rust has enough momentum to sustain itself now.

I expect a bigger corp with a sustainable business model will scoop it up. Rust is too promising to die at this point.

I hope so, I bet on Rust for my latest venture. I'd be so sad to have to rewrite it in C++ down the road.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#52

I wonder if Rust has enough momentum to sustain itself now.

I expect a bigger corp with a sustainable business model will scoop it up. Rust is too promising to die at this point.

Is it though? Most of it seems to be hype. It’s great that programming languages get researched and improved, but do they actually improve? How is improvement measured?

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#53

Firefox doesn't have the developer tools that Chrome does so developers use Chrome to develop with meaning their websites work better in Chrome so Firefox is playing catch-up or just plain looks worse keeping adoption of Firefox lower. Mozilla solves the problem by killing development of developer tools insuring Firefox is an afterthought. Is there anyone in Mozilla management that has a technical bone in their body?

Firefox has development tools? Is there certain features that are missing? Because you can bring up a dev console and inspect elements and such. Genuine question from a not full-time frontend developer, not being snarky.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#54

Firefox doesn't have the developer tools that Chrome does so developers use Chrome to develop with meaning their websites work better in Chrome so Firefox is playing catch-up or just plain looks worse keeping adoption of Firefox lower. Mozilla solves the problem by killing development of developer tools insuring Firefox is an afterthought. Is there anyone in Mozilla management that has a technical bone in their body?

I'm sure management understands those teams are important. Who should they have cut instead? These are hard decisions. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that management doesn't understand tech, they obviously do, it's Mozilla.

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that management doesn't understand tech, they obviously do, it's Mozilla.

What in these decisions should make that obvious? Just because its Mozilla doesn't mean its management staff understand tech.

Cut the CEO salary and remove some management first.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#55

Firefox doesn't have the developer tools that Chrome does so developers use Chrome to develop with meaning their websites work better in Chrome so Firefox is playing catch-up or just plain looks worse keeping adoption of Firefox lower. Mozilla solves the problem by killing development of developer tools insuring Firefox is an afterthought. Is there anyone in Mozilla management that has a technical bone in their body?

I'm sure management understands those teams are important. Who should they have cut instead? These are hard decisions. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that management doesn't understand tech, they obviously do, it's Mozilla.

> Who should they have cut instead?

Anything that is not touching engineering / technical problems, such as management and the rest of the C-suite team, that apparently are getting fatter salaries while "low level" employees are getting the boot.

> they obviously do, it's Mozilla

This mindset is dangerous on so many levels (assuming they don't have technical expertise is equally dangerous). Mozilla used to stand for an open web, by any costs. Lately, this is obviously not true, but it's hard to say who's to blame for this. Management gets paid extra much since they hold much of the power in an organization, which also means they should be the first to blame for the problems.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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What's the focus of Mozilla now given the layoffs of Rust,MDN,Wasmtime and Servo? Is Mozilla/Firefox becoming VPN company?

They're refocussing on the user experience of the browser. They're stopping their more developer friendly endeavours and research projects such as servo. The VPN client and Pocket are just ways to make money to fund browser development. Firefox itself does not and can not make money (and not from lack of trying). It turns out people don't want "ads", "nags" or "suggested content" in their browser.

> They're refocussing on the user experience of the browser.

What does that even mean concretely ?

Isn't Wasm supposed to be the cornerstone to give user faster (and ultimately better) experience in the browser ?

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#57

Firefox doesn't have the developer tools that Chrome does so developers use Chrome to develop with meaning their websites work better in Chrome so Firefox is playing catch-up or just plain looks worse keeping adoption of Firefox lower. Mozilla solves the problem by killing development of developer tools insuring Firefox is an afterthought. Is there anyone in Mozilla management that has a technical bone in their body?

Are you suggesting that they should eat cake instead?

Honestly I don't know how dire Mozilla's situation is, but I would not assume it was unwarranted.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

#58

Firefox doesn't have the developer tools that Chrome does so developers use Chrome to develop with meaning their websites work better in Chrome so Firefox is playing catch-up or just plain looks worse keeping adoption of Firefox lower. Mozilla solves the problem by killing development of developer tools insuring Firefox is an afterthought. Is there anyone in Mozilla management that has a technical bone in their body?

I'm sure management understands those teams are important. Who should they have cut instead? These are hard decisions. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that management doesn't understand tech, they obviously do, it's Mozilla.

working at a tech company does not make one tech savvy, and you know what they say about assuming. I wouldnt assume the decisions makers are always fully understanding of the tech they manage at any company. ive seen it personally at a few.

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're refocussing on the user experience of the browser. They're stopping their more developer friendly endeavours and research projects such as servo. The VPN client and Pocket are just ways to make money to fund browser development. Firefox itself does not and can not make money (and not from lack of trying). It turns out people don't want "ads", "nags" or "suggested content" in their browser.

I understood the exact opposite, that they are moving out from the "focus on the firefox browser" mantra because it is not a competitive strategy anymore and they want instead to find and build new products.

Ok. They're lost. Again. Or should we say More ?

Re: "Much" of the Rust/Wasmtime team hit by layoffs at Mozilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I expect a bigger corp with a sustainable business model will scoop it up. Rust is too promising to die at this point.

Is it though? Most of it seems to be hype. It’s great that programming languages get researched and improved, but do they actually improve? How is improvement measured?

I don't think calling it mostly hype is anywhere near reasonable. It's a mature language with a large ecosystem in use by a variety of companies.
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