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Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by tines »

flywheel wrote: post #48
EE84M3i wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "deprecated", you mean as in "discontinued" right? Not just like, discouraged?

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

But "express disapproval of" is exactly the meaning intended when we say that a feature is deprecated. It signifies that it is best practice not to use it.

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by abarrettwilsdon »

harimau777 wrote: post #49

Is there any way to search the actual page text? I find that often I remember some unique turn of phase from the page that I'm looking for and it would be extremely helpful to be able to simply search for that.

`intext:phrase` and `allintext:multi part phrase`

generally "phrase" works well too

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by harimau777 »

abarrettwilsdon wrote: post #52
harimau777 wrote: post #49

Is there any way to search the actual page text? I find that often I remember some unique turn of phase from the page that I'm looking for and it would be extremely helpful to be able to simply search for that.

`intext:phrase` and `allintext:multi part phrase` generally "phrase" works well too

Thank you!

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by eigenvector »

flywheel wrote: post #48
EE84M3i wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "deprecated", you mean as in "discontinued" right? Not just like, discouraged?

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

Isn't deprecated actually correct here?

It means the feature still works, but will be removed in the future or is no longer supported. There also be may a new implementation of it that the developer would like you to use, hence the warning that it's deprecated.

Depreciation implies a rate of change over time, which isn't the case. Today we deprecate feature X, and in two years we plan remove it. It never depreciates.

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by cjaybo »

flywheel wrote: post #48
EE84M3i wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "deprecated", you mean as in "discontinued" right? Not just like, discouraged?

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

The first definition is intended and more fitting for the usages of "deprecated" I've encountered.

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by TallGuyShort »

flywheel wrote: post #48
EE84M3i wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "deprecated", you mean as in "discontinued" right? Not just like, discouraged?

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

Feels like I often see it used to retire APIs that are now understood to be unsafe, insecure, or otherwise a bad practice for some reason. It gets replaced with an API that does not inherently have that problem, and the old one is in deprecated. it feels like "expressing disapproval of" is the right definition in that case. It's only there for a migration period to happen more gracefully, but its continued use is frowned upon, and not just because it will eventually be removed.

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by harha »

tines wrote: post #51
flywheel wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

But "express disapproval of" is exactly the meaning intended when we say that a feature is deprecated. It signifies that it is best practice not to use it.

If it’s given as a warning then yes, e.g. the dplyr package in R sometimes outputs “feature xyz is deprecated and will be removed in version x.x”.

Often though it’s used when the feature is already removed, i.e., it’s not only best practice not to use it, but also impossible with that version.

Re: Dorking: the use of search engines to find very specific data

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Post by Xophmeister »

flywheel wrote: post #48
EE84M3i wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say "deprecated", you mean as in "discontinued" right? Not just like, discouraged?

Whoever the first developer was that used "deprecated" got it kind of wrong, the word should have been "depreciated". Deprecate: "express disapproval of." Depreciate: "diminish in value over a period of time." I kind of cringe when other developers say "deprecated". Edit: Versioning and not removing APIs is kind of the way to go, so you don't break client apps that possibly can't be updated easily or at all. "Depreci…

I used to always use "depreciated" until I was embarrassingly corrected one day :P
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